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enjoy Eric this is gonna be an expose

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into you an investigation a

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peregrination into your mind I don't

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care too much I care but I but not for

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this about your idea I don't care too

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much about your ideas for this I care

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about your thought process how did you

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come up with your ideas if it isn't

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already first of all good to be with you

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thank you thank you I appreciate that

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we'll start broadly okay you have quite

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a few projects you have your work for

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Peter Thiel I see and you have your

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podcast you have your husband your

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father you have geometric unity which

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you work on so that's five that I can

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count does that exhaust it are there

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more does it stretch you thin well I

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mean there's also the gauge theory and

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economics project which I'm very keen to

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push through I'm very focused on making

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sure that my brother's work on

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senescence telomeres and antagonistic

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pleiotropy is understood recognized and

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its implications chased down there are

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some avenues for immigration reform

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trying to understand why it is that this

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important economic topic is deranged

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because it has to do with units of labor

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projects but they all sort of seek to

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try to make sure that humanity has a

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future and that we don't tear ourselves

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apart in the present trying to construct

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false utopias and that we don't find

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ourselves limited by what we've already

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achieved in a way where we forsake our

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ability to achieve in the future by

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actually deranging ourselves in a false

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hope of a kind of utopian present which

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can can't possibly obtain do you ever

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feel like it's too many projects or do

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you have one day for one project it's a

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chaotic well honestly to be blunt about

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it that's not really where I feel like

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strong impression that people are

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generically crazy and in a world in

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which I take people to be generically

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crazy that is that there's they're

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simply humans and computing machines

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that have been fed lots of terrible

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information on a daily basis of a few

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centralized sources and so the biggest

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everyone is constantly distracted and

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distractible by projects that do not and

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that the the incentive structures can't

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the things that can that must be done

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cannot be done and I think that's the

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biggest problem so that mean leaves me

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speaking of working alone you have a

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wife who's er collaborator at least in

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the Economics Department when did you

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get married in 1996 how old were you

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this I believe that you meet the right

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small subset of people who can be the

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right one and you know I would say that

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Indian Jewish super mind who's

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incredibly gorgeous and has a huge heart

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who takes your breath away and makes you

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laugh it's pretty hard to resist so

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all just one person had everything in

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beyond BIA and and I just I think I

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and traveling with Pia more than I ever

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time marriages don't have the same zeal

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or spark but they did in the beginning

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decreased or it's changed it's a deeper

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level as meaningful that is not

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encapsulated by why well you're talking

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bar with enough coconuts and fish to get

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theorizing arguing and it's very weird

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complete life in terms of just being so

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their minds and and appreciative of the

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differences between us all my family is

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fascinating and most fulfilling to talk

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kids that wasn't nobody is was it a

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undertaking in that there are few

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features we don't appreciate first of

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all they have the strange feature that

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they are the most fascinating things

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fascinating to talk about so like if I

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my kids didn't absolutely fascinate me

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the world but if you have great kids

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your life so it's really it's important

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to love your children I think Jordan

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life is don't let your children become

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anything that don't let your children do

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time sink imaginable

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for itself given the given the demands

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and yet child rearing I would absolutely

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productive you might not consider

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yourself to be some people think on

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either way there's a word productive in

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there you're doing something do you do

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you consider yourself to be productive

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and do you take nootropics what does

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your schedule look like how do you

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maintain yes I have no schedule I have a

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terrible sleep schedule I don't take no

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tropics I don't sell optimize in any of

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theoretical physics very seriously and I

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about trying to commune with something

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instance of something you know if I have

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a coffee mug do I see this as the

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Platonic essence of all coffee mugs or

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do I see it as the particular coffee mug

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that I'm holding that as a chip on one

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they create and so there is a trade-off

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and for better for worse I decided to

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ignore some aspects of that to pursue

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something that seemed impossible so it's

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micro dosing it was in the title but I

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coming up about you personally no no

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okay here's the here's the question with

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the presumption in it what what

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from psychedelics that you feel like you

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couldn't have gone elsewhere the

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life-changing insight that I've gotten

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from psychedelics is that we should

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never have created the Controlled

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the substances on that list do not

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something has a high propensity for harm

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of Johns Hopkins and NYU and other

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places friends at maps that in fact many

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of the substances on the schedule one

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list should not be on them do you find

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that you're a fast reader no Bob I'm a

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fast reader in a very strange sense

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which is that I don't actually read the

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books I have a different technique of

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sampling information inside of books

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trying to figure out where it's dense

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and then drilling in where I need to

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okay let's let's explore that let's

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expand elaborate what do you mean let's

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take take us through let's say you want

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to learn about a topic some topic that

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you haven't give me a topic touched on

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particle phenomenology okay

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okay now I just said a word particle

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phenomenology so most people they're

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like okay I don't even know what that is

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those words mean so you have some

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familiarity with the field what do you

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what's your first step Wikipedia article

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skim that then well the first thing is

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what I want to know why it is that I'm

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okay I care about particle phenomenology

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did a professor tell me that that's

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something I really need to drill down on

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because I'm asking question or is this

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just some words crossed my path and now

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I have to find out what they meet so

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depending upon what the purpose

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is I probably do things slightly

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different okay let's imagine that for

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your theory of everything you know that

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having some predictive power is useful

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and you want to know well well how can i

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mangle this into a form that that won't

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the sort of the particle and wave Zoo

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you know you've got lots of things that

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end in the word on it's protons neutrons

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gluons photons electrons right and then

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you've got different words like

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neutrinos quarks and W and Z particles

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so you've got this whole slew of words

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around particles first thing I would say

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is okay how do these words relate to

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each other right so how long before you

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figure out the basic division is bosons

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versus fermions that's the most

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important division in all of the

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particles ooh okay I'm gonna stop you

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for a second because I want to get into

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some specifics so you're like alright

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well there's some terminology and

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they're disparate at least right now how

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do I connect them do you do you do

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something like the traditional madman

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who writes on paper puts it on the wall

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and then read strings between them or or

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is it you type it or you ask well this

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isn't my first this isn't my first rodeo

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so I know that if I bomb it all the

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stuff that is confusing me onto one

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let's say white board or piece of paper

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or a spreadsheet or whatever whatever it

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is that there are going to be ways in

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which all of those concepts relate to

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each other and whatever that structure

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is around the raw unstructured verbiage

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has to be teased out and usually the

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things that I care about are going to be

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highly structured I can be the counter

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example that history is not very highly

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structured because it kind of unfolds

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haphazardly or like the phylogenetic

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tree in biology is pretty haphazard is

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it unfolded just as it were

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when things are highly systematized like

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particle phenomenology you have to

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understand when somebody says like the

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word hadron where does hadron fit with

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respect to the word pork or the word

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boson or fermium so the next thing is

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sort of the hierarchy of relationships

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that are in intrinsic to assist so for

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example if i was doing human physiology

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bursar I was doing biology I would think

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about the break up into the four layers

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of anatomy physiology histology and

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cytology right so think about those as

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URIs I can't really talk about Anatomy

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unless I'm also talking about the

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function which is physiology and

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physiology really depends on tissues so

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that would be histology and tissues are

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made up of cells so that would be

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psychology so I would build some sort of

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dependency structure and then I would

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try to remember this is the top-level

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categorization so that I have a map okay

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now please forgive me if it's getting

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tedious I'm getting too much of the

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details well do you say Matt are you

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writing it down or are you still keeping

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it in your head or are you just reading

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this I'm in flow

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so maybe I'm dancing around next to a

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whiteboard and I'm recording things and

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I'm writing things in spreadsheets I'm

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just trying to get the structure because

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initially I'm always astounded at how

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the the simplifying is tend to be hidden

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from view until very late in the game

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with most pedagogy I think because if we

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give them to people up front they will

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learn too quickly and teacher will hat

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will be out of a job that's interesting

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okay so you think there's a nefarious

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reason the selfishness of the depths of

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the self press availability taught

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against us all which withhold the simple

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diagrams that would keep us much less

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confused you also mention and I'm

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slightly kidding

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but yeah yeah there's something to it

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I've been told I'm Dyslexic of course

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dyslexia is itself not always a well

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understood clustered of disparate

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phenomena certainly I have learning

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differences from the average human yeah

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okay whatever you think well some of

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them are none of your business and

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others of them have to do with symbols

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are very cumbersome to keep straight and

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they dance around too much so that it's

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hard to learn through symbolic channel

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okay now when I hear that and I hear

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that coming from a mathematician that

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strikes me as odd because math is a

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tremendously symbolic so how do how do

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you overcome the giant pain and then

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it's 8:00 in the neck it's a real

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problem right all right okay but at the

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same time it doesn't seem like you took

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longer than the average person to

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formulate your PhD or to study you

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graduated pretty much at this plus or

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minus one year that the my PhD did take

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longer because it you know I started

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when I was 19 with the master's degree

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so effectively you know function okay

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okay okay yeah but you started in

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nineteen with a master's degree

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many people are entering university 18

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no but I've heard of them from a

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different point Kurt people have a very

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simplistic idea okay you were really

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good at math or you were really bad at

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you know if you look at Ray Charles

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would you say he's good at music or bad

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at his I would say I'm not sure who Ray

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Charles is I'm specific animation okay

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yeah it was a blind sort of right there

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is a mute there's a document a

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non-player okay and the next

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would be after saying well he was

402
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obviously very good at music I would

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have asked you how was he at reading

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music and you would have said well he

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was blind of course he wasn't reading

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right great he's both good and bad as a

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musician if part of being a musician to

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you is reading music mm-hmm um since the

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same thing is true in mathematics for

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those of us who are symbolically

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challenged hmm okay so there's different

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facets of physics and mathematics is

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there one in particular about physics

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that you find hard to grok or to

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understand or to comprehend is there one

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one so for example in math there is the

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understanding of the formula which I

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imagine comes to you fairly easily and

419
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then there's the writing it though it's

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those explicit explication of it out

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into a formula so that is symbolic and

422
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that one I imagine is tricky for you now

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physics has different components like

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there's the formula

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there's the understanding as well and

426
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there's probably three more or maybe a

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hundred more what do you what do you

428
00:19:39,490 --> 00:19:34,570
particularly find difficult in physics

429
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so people yuning discriminate between

430
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they'll talk about a classical object

431
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and a quantum problem without explaining

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why they're allowed to have a classical

433
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version of let's say the slit in the

434
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double slit experiment but a quantum

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version of the electron that supposedly

436
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is going through both slits at the same

437
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time and then you know you ask the

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question well you know might it be the

439
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:13,659
problem that you haven't defined what an

440
00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:16,090
observer is you haven't said how you

441
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have a detector that is itself quantum

442
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mechanical you're never quite sure with

443
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the physicists whether they are

444
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simplifying things in a way that is not

445
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destructive of the truth or whether they

446
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are actually playing with sleight of

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hand

448
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so I think physics is just they don't

449
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think as cleanly

450
00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:42,980
as mathematicians but the upside of that

451
00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:46,070
is is that that non cleanliness means

452
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that they can do things no other

453
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community can do because they've

454
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hybridized the purity of mathematics

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with the dirt and grit of experiment

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and when you're thinking do you tend to

457
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you wrote plenty by the way I was

458
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looking through your edge pages as well

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as your papers somewhere all in

460
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economics it is it's fairly lengthy yet

461
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:15,700
you consider yourself to have an impart

462
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dyslexia do do you write in order to

463
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think or do you think aloud do you think

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while conversing do you think while

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walking yeah but I also for example

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calculate inside of a typesetting

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program which is unheard of okay yeah

468
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what do you what do you mean wire I

469
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require the rigor of a program called

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late a core law tech in order to keep my

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symbols from dropping a minus sign or

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running off the edge of the page so I

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actually use typesetting as the

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environment in which I calculate as a

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crutch no when you came up with your

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theory of everything let me just

477
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actually say one other thing since

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you're palling at this issue

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I don't know anybody at all who is in my

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situation in math and physics that is I

481
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never met somebody with my learning

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issues who refused to accept that that

483
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they couldn't do this right because the

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strong indication that I have by the

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time I was leaving high school with the

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b-minus in mathematics was that this was

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not something I was supposed to go into

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and I couldn't imagine that if the

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secrets of the universe were written in

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this language that anyone should be

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fenced out of it because their learning

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process was different from others there

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have been blind mathematicians there

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have been met one of the greatest is but

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I never encountered any one one

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one-on-one face-to-face personally who

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had a significant symbolic challenge

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because our language is so focused on

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symbolic expression you mentioned one

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time about you would take anyone

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being classified as having a learning

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disability and show them why they either

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don't have one or you have a teaching

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disability let's be very clear

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00:23:18,979 --> 00:23:17,639
there are a set of learning disabilities

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which are actually not learning

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disabilities and then there are things

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like you know the person didn't get

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enough oxygen in the birth canal and

510
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their brain never recovered that's not

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what I'm saying I'm saying that there

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are certain learning disabilities in the

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parlance of educators that are simply

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misdiagnosed superpowers with the

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deficit that pays for right is to choose

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my learning disabled mutant so I'll take

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that group of people over standard

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00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:47,970
learners any day you just have to change

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education so that it doesn't consign the

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dummy pile I imagine

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painful for you to understand your own

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00:24:02,050 --> 00:24:00,980
learning disability because you're just

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having trouble you don't know why you're

524
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having such such a hard time now let's

525
00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:05,720
see there are other people who have

526
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similar maybe not similar just learning

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disabilities but learning disabilities

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in general or in the way that you just

529
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define them how what advice do you have

530
00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:18,320
so that they can uncover what's holding

531
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them back because it could be a myriad

532
00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:24,860
of items well first thing is is that

533
00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:27,860
recognize that your performance is a

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hybrid of your abilities and your

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00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:35,780
teachers abilities and that you are

536
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:37,490
going to pay the price if your teacher

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00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:40,610
cannot find abilities and just uses what

538
00:24:46,210 --> 00:24:42,530
they use on every other neurotypical

539
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student so first of all stop stop

540
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:48,380
sniveling stop saying you're bad at math

541
00:24:52,570 --> 00:24:50,930
stop saying you can't do this stop

542
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:52,580
listening to your teacher stop reading

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00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:55,610
your report card recognize that none of

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00:25:06,730 --> 00:24:57,790
that actually matters for you because

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00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:06,740
it's predicated on an idea that I mean

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00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:07,810
let's imagine

547
00:25:14,850 --> 00:25:09,700
example that you're in Intuit in the

548
00:25:16,620 --> 00:25:14,860
north of Alaska okay should you feel bad

549
00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:16,630
that you're not going to win the Boston

550
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:18,760
Marathon because the people who win that

551
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:22,720
are in general East Africans who are the

552
00:25:27,300 --> 00:25:24,850
world champions of radiating heat

553
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,310
whereas you are the world champion of

554
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,720
retaining Heat because of the

555
00:25:32,790 --> 00:25:30,480
differences in your environment so

556
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:32,800
you're gonna be maximally bad at

557
00:25:39,210 --> 00:25:34,570
marathon running because you're very

558
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:39,220
well adapted to live in the hole now my

559
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:41,170
people stop feeling bad that you're not

560
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:43,810
the symbolic King you know solving it

561
00:25:50,130 --> 00:25:47,130
complicated integrals through lots of

562
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:50,140
you know mathematical trickery instead

563
00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:51,910
focus on what you're good what you're

564
00:25:57,270 --> 00:25:54,760
good at which is that probably speaking

565
00:26:01,200 --> 00:25:57,280
your conceptually much more advanced as

566
00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:01,210
you're symbolically [\h__\h] so it's

567
00:26:05,010 --> 00:26:03,220
very bad for me to give advice because I

568
00:26:07,950 --> 00:26:05,020
tend to tell people to stop listening to

569
00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,960
their teachers get a backbone become

570
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:10,660
more arrogant more self-possessed learn

571
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,490
to build yourself up and then people

572
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:13,600
will say oh my god you're going to

573
00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:15,940
encourage the dunning-kruger effect well

574
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:17,710
you know that may be true that may be

575
00:26:20,550 --> 00:26:19,780
into down what I'm saying but let me say

576
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:20,560
the upside

577
00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:22,510
you're gonna consign a bunch of super

578
00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:24,280
Minds to the dummy pile because you

579
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:26,140
don't even understand that they can't

580
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:28,930
perform on the tests for the same reason

581
00:26:32,730 --> 00:26:31,210
that one person might taste cilantro is

582
00:26:34,590 --> 00:26:32,740
a beautiful spice and the other might

583
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:34,600
taste it as a bar of soap because of a

584
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:37,090
genetic predisposition we are all

585
00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:39,250
different and it is not the role of

586
00:26:45,150 --> 00:26:41,740
school to tell the super learners who

587
00:26:46,860 --> 00:26:45,160
have my profile that they're idiots it's

588
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:46,870
much better to tell the teachers that

589
00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:48,730
they may be idiots for not recognizing

590
00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:50,230
they have a different population that

591
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:53,470
they're mangling okay right here you

592
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:56,200
have your own point of view and almost

593
00:26:59,820 --> 00:26:58,090
every single almost invariably when

594
00:27:01,800 --> 00:26:59,830
someone asks you a question one that you

595
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,810
haven't been posed before I assume EULA

596
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:03,520
I assume you happen it's novel to you

597
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:05,790
you will come back in about five seconds

598
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:08,800
with an interesting and different answer

599
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:12,610
I'm not always that it's cogent which is

600
00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:13,600
difficult because you can string

601
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:15,040
together a sentence and not have it go

602
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:17,650
here now

603
00:27:24,450 --> 00:27:19,420
that come from having an articulated

604
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:24,460
worldview I don't want that but I don't

605
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:27,160
mean to keep singing your praises but at

606
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:28,330
some point I'll insult you I'll figure

607
00:27:34,770 --> 00:27:28,720
it out

608
00:27:37,290 --> 00:27:34,780
but do you it does it come from were you

609
00:27:39,690 --> 00:27:37,300
able to have such quick responses and

610
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:39,700
unique responses when you were 25 or

611
00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:41,350
when you were 30 doesn't just come with

612
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,740
age if you know some I've pretty much

613
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:46,960
been the same guy since my 20s but

614
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:50,610
nobody was listening to me and my planet

615
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:55,620
okay and that came from life experience

616
00:27:59,970 --> 00:27:57,940
how do you know you how do you tell

617
00:28:02,580 --> 00:27:59,980
someone to think originally I see you as

618
00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:02,590
an original thinker and that doesn't

619
00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:04,990
mean you're correct but obviously I'm

620
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:07,240
biased I good and I don't want to give

621
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:09,790
away my biases but but I tremendously

622
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:13,050
like you and I'm curious how is it bit

623
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:15,550
someone else can what advice do you have

624
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:17,290
for someone else to be able to

625
00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:19,930
articulate their own point of view well

626
00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:23,860
okay so let me this is a super dangerous

627
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:25,060
question if you're really interested

628
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:28,210
I'll give you a real answer every single

629
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:30,910
person walks through their day seeing

630
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:35,440
that they're told aren't there or they

631
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:37,330
fail to see things that they're told are

632
00:28:44,130 --> 00:28:41,230
there and they learn to silence their

633
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,140
own voice we all have this voice that is

634
00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:46,720
not the voice that is received through

635
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:49,590
the television the radio podcasts

636
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:53,770
newspapers websites and we learn to

637
00:29:00,270 --> 00:28:55,650
spell to ourself

638
00:29:02,940 --> 00:29:00,280
now that process

639
00:29:04,410 --> 00:29:02,950
is a very dangerous one to undo because

640
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:04,420
what you'll notice is that every time

641
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:05,890
you ask me a question where I don't have

642
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:09,730
a standard take potentially somebody's

643
00:29:13,290 --> 00:29:11,710
gonna get really angry about it whatever

644
00:29:14,610 --> 00:29:13,300
whatever it isn't that I'm saying like

645
00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:14,620
you know what we were just talking about

646
00:29:18,390 --> 00:29:16,390
it when I just said that many teachers

647
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:18,400
have teaching disabilities that they

648
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:19,990
pawn off on students learning

649
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:25,330
disabilities we imagine you know an

650
00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:27,370
article in a newspaper called American

651
00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:30,400
educator like today Weinstein continued

652
00:29:34,530 --> 00:29:33,220
his tirade against the teaching like

653
00:29:37,710 --> 00:29:34,540
somebody's always gonna get angry that

654
00:29:40,620 --> 00:29:37,720
it's a strictly a function of courage or

655
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:40,630
did you build this up what I'm saying is

656
00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:41,890
you you could say something you know

657
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:44,110
might be taken out of proportion just

658
00:29:48,330 --> 00:29:46,810
like Jordan Peterson is at some point

659
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:48,340
you just you just stopped caring you

660
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:49,750
mentioned well I'm posed the same way

661
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:51,790
since I was 20 I imagine that you would

662
00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:54,520
be more hard skinned as you get older

663
00:30:01,410 --> 00:29:58,270
thick skinned I don't know everything

664
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:01,420
still hurts you know you're never gonna

665
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:04,180
be accepted when you give up on being

666
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:05,440
accepted you know that you're never

667
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:10,360
going home so I guess what I would I

668
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:12,700
would say to people is single one of us

669
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:15,700
has a lot of ideas and opinions that

670
00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:17,710
we've never shared and you'll find this

671
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,630
out because when I say things somebody

672
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:22,000
will say to me oh my god you're the only

673
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:23,710
other person I've ever heard think this

674
00:30:28,050 --> 00:30:25,620
nobody's ever said it out loud until now

675
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:28,060
they say oh that's interesting you had

676
00:30:33,180 --> 00:30:31,660
that observation and it just didn't come

677
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:33,190
out of your mouth because you were

678
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:36,970
terrified as to what it might do someone

679
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:39,250
accused you recently on your Q&A I was

680
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:40,630
just watching some of your Instagram q

681
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:41,860
and A's and they said I'm just gonna

682
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:43,810
read you a comment and I want to know

683
00:30:49,490 --> 00:30:47,200
what you would say to it hey I can't

684
00:30:51,930 --> 00:30:49,500
find it right now but it was essentially

685
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:51,940
calling you an alarmist for using the

686
00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:54,700
term Marxist and Maoist to talk about

687
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:56,560
those on the extreme left and what's

688
00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:00,130
going on currently no no to those who

689
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:04,390
are uninitiated why why is calling them

690
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,510
a Maoist or Marxist an understand or an

691
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:10,080
overseen or precisely correct

692
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:13,300
what why is calling a Marxist a Marxist

693
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:16,660
I don't understand the question they

694
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:17,860
would say that what's happening right

695
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:21,490
now with black lives matters I mean let

696
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,660
someone ranted it was I don't have it I

697
00:31:31,170 --> 00:31:28,960
paraphrase if someone was ranting about

698
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:31,180
you meant you talking about the current

699
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:34,690
state of affairs and it being akin to

700
00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:37,840
Marxism or maoism let's remove Marxism

701
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:39,160
because some people will say I am a

702
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Marxist and you can always write those I

703
00:31:52,260 --> 00:31:48,610
mean isn't that how is that not an

704
00:31:52,530 --> 00:31:52,270
accurate statement okay all right all

705
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:52,540
right

706
00:31:57,780 --> 00:31:54,670
in other words you have this woman

707
00:32:00,600 --> 00:31:57,790
patrisse cullors right who's a founder

708
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:00,610
of black lives matter describing herself

709
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:03,370
as a trained Marxist and her fellow

710
00:32:10,980 --> 00:32:07,030
co-founders trained Marxist

711
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:10,990
so I just I guess I'm bewildered how am

712
00:32:18,090 --> 00:32:15,060
i an alarmist four-lane self-described

713
00:32:19,410 --> 00:32:18,100
again this so let's go back to this is

714
00:32:23,060 --> 00:32:19,420
in part my frustration with your

715
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:25,680
there's nothing original that I'm doing

716
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:28,120
in calling somebody who self describes

717
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:31,780
them as a Marxist a Marxist and then the

718
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:33,850
fact that I can be called out for

719
00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:35,950
listening to the founders self

720
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:39,340
description like I I just don't

721
00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:41,410
understand what planet I'm on am I on a

722
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:43,960
planet that faults me for being an

723
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:48,010
attentive listener why do you think

724
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:50,770
people why do you think people do is it

725
00:32:54,090 --> 00:32:52,420
because they don't want to they don't

726
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:54,100
want to think it's difficult or they

727
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:55,840
have an ideology and they see an attack

728
00:32:59,940 --> 00:32:58,690
so they preserve it like what is

729
00:33:02,430 --> 00:32:59,950
motivating the people on Saints

730
00:33:04,830 --> 00:33:02,440
resentment in Larnaca Zingerman's we're

731
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:04,840
losing our mind collectively we are in a

732
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:07,600
process of mass insanity right we've

733
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:11,950
been through these before and you know

734
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:13,960
I'm choosing not to go along with an

735
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:16,270
insanity and that generates epithets but

736
00:33:21,210 --> 00:33:18,070
please don't tell me that the inmates

737
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:21,220
have once again told me that I'm crazy

738
00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:22,660
because I know that that's what they

739
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:26,400
will say their inmates they're nuts

740
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:30,010
well you know going back this is this is

741
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:32,530
a reject for clarification on this why

742
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:35,410
am i answering a question about being an

743
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,890
alarmist who is fetch I mean like I've

744
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:40,720
just given you the name of a person who

745
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:42,730
founded black lives matter co-founded

746
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:46,240
and self describes as a Marxist trained

747
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:49,000
Marxist whatever that means not my words

748
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:51,580
and now I'm fighting the question if I'm

749
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:53,170
an alarmist I'm gonna just do something

750
00:33:56,910 --> 00:33:55,060
that I like to do which is I don't like

751
00:34:00,390 --> 00:33:56,920
these questions these are a legal

752
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:00,400
question I'm an accurate person whoever

753
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:03,400
made that claim is an inaccurate person

754
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:05,890
and you don't privilege inaccurate

755
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,270
people with the idea that we have to

756
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:12,159
answer they're inaccurate question it's

757
00:34:18,270 --> 00:34:16,810
just it's a stupid exercise right

758
00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:18,280
telling you before one of the reasons

759
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:20,860
why I think the radical after extreme

760
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:22,090
left or whatever you want to call them

761
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:25,440
is pestilential is because it takes

762
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:29,170
seconds to install is like what we're in

763
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:32,410
my analogy before and and days or hours

764
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:37,150
at least to unpack do you what what

765
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:40,290
avenues when you were going this is a

766
00:34:43,650 --> 00:34:42,490
discursive jump but what avenues did you

767
00:34:51,810 --> 00:34:43,660
explore for your theory of everything

768
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:51,820
that didn't work I mean a million what

769
00:34:59,610 --> 00:34:55,600
my earliest ideas was that we should

770
00:35:03,060 --> 00:34:59,620
look towards exceptional algebra to hear

771
00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:03,070
it rate Jared the smaller category of

772
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:07,270
candidate theories and the natural

773
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:09,730
objects to look at in that world or two

774
00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:14,440
objects plug an e 8 together with

775
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:16,420
something called the exceptional Jordan

776
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,210
and

777
00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:26,550
you know I thought that was in Garrett

778
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:29,740
Lisi later came along and made a theory

779
00:35:35,790 --> 00:35:34,030
around EA which there were certain

780
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:35,800
problems effectively it wasn't large

781
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:38,830
enough Garrett was insightful where most

782
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:40,600
people did not understand that EA tis

783
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:43,800
about a principle called tri ality

784
00:35:48,810 --> 00:35:47,050
neutrality theoretically had the

785
00:35:51,710 --> 00:35:48,820
possibility of weaving together the

786
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:51,720
three copies of matter that we find

787
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:55,300
known as the three families but there

788
00:36:00,780 --> 00:35:57,130
actually isn't enough room inside of EA

789
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:00,790
to do this little maneuver and it's also

790
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:03,040
the case that if you used eh which is

791
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:05,710
this 248 dimensional set of symmetries

792
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,660
you run into a different problem which

793
00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:09,760
is that you're bosons and fermions are

794
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:11,800
difficult to treat in different ways yet

795
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:13,450
they have to have different quantization

796
00:36:19,830 --> 00:36:16,570
so that's an example of an avenue that I

797
00:36:22,050 --> 00:36:19,840
don't see how to fix or how to solve and

798
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:22,060
probably isn't correct but that's

799
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:25,390
something I abandoned right what else if

800
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:29,050
you have to give one more just because

801
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:30,670
that one's fairly familiar people know

802
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:33,130
when some people know about e8 and I'm

803
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:36,070
curious what was what what were you

804
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:38,650
mulling over what do you mean

805
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:41,170
what were you thinking about when it

806
00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:43,090
comes to theories of everything okay I

807
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:44,620
want to come up with my all so it

808
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:45,940
doesn't start with this question I want

809
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:47,170
to come up with my own theory of

810
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:48,340
everything where does it just start with

811
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:50,920
the frustration that that there doesn't

812
00:36:59,330 --> 00:36:55,090
exist one well no I think it comes up it

813
00:37:02,420 --> 00:36:59,340
comes from the idea that you first one

814
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:02,430
what theories exists you're not

815
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:04,350
necessarily focused on the theory of

816
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:06,120
everything you shouldn't be you should

817
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,130
be focused on knowing what time it is in

818
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:10,800
human history so this is one of my

819
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:12,470
Miller Ising yourself with the landscape

820
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:13,740
pardon me

821
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,990
so familiarizing yourself with what's

822
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:18,480
out there in the physics well there's

823
00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:22,250
that but there's also the question of

824
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,750
you know what would Newton have done if

825
00:37:33,140 --> 00:37:27,480
Newton had lived in Einstein's time we

826
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,150
don't know you have to understand this

827
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:35,040
weird question what time is it because

828
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:37,380
the only breakthroughs you can make are

829
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:39,090
the breakthroughs that are available to

830
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:44,580
you from more time so you know could

831
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,000
Galilei have landed a probe on the

832
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:50,820
surface of Titan no he wasn't in a

833
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,580
position to do it doesn't matter how

834
00:37:58,700 --> 00:37:55,920
brilliant he is so I happen to think

835
00:38:01,040 --> 00:37:58,710
that this time is the first time that it

836
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:01,050
is barely possible to get to a theory of

837
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:05,040
everything and you know that itself

838
00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:06,690
isn't clear but that's part of my

839
00:38:13,330 --> 00:38:08,820
determination my determination is that

840
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:13,340
we actually at least as of 19 75 or 76

841
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:16,110
were within striking distance of

842
00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:18,300
finishing the whole thing off the only

843
00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:22,080
problem is is that the last move is the

844
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:25,590
hardest move of all and so my take is is

845
00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:31,290
that by 1975 we were in reach but the

846
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:36,120
last move is not as the earlier moves

847
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:38,430
you know there's I'm sure you're aware

848
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:40,710
Freeman Dyson and Hawking both thought

849
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:41,910
that girdles and completeness theorem

850
00:38:46,580 --> 00:38:43,410
had something to say about a fundamental

851
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:46,590
theory of everything that is to say that

852
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:49,110
it excludes it or potentially exclusive

853
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:51,180
do you do you see girls incompleteness

854
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:52,740
theorem says as having anything to do

855
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:53,730
with physical theories

856
00:38:57,830 --> 00:38:54,870
so being hosta thought that doesn't

857
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:57,840
think so for example so there's well it

858
00:39:03,010 --> 00:38:59,880
depends what you mean I mean I guess the

859
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,020
way I would read it is the following

860
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:05,220
what is the theory of everything that's

861
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:06,930
something we haven't even discussed and

862
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,910
I don't even know that you and I agree

863
00:39:12,110 --> 00:39:10,440
on a theory of everything so let me ask

864
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:12,120
you what is the theory of everything to

865
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:17,110
you well I'll tell you what what

866
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,070
you think and then I'll tell you what I

867
00:39:23,130 --> 00:39:21,040
what I think so great I believe I heard

868
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:23,140
you describe it as a theory in which

869
00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:24,670
we're no longer looking for mathematical

870
00:39:29,550 --> 00:39:27,340
improvements though it leaves open the

871
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:29,560
door for religious theological

872
00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:32,970
philosophy philosophical progress

873
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:35,950
however one way to define progress okay

874
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:39,130
it's pretty close okay pretty close

875
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:40,750
pretty good love it and then for me it

876
00:39:47,550 --> 00:39:44,890
would be similar except I'm interested

877
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:47,560
in consciousness as well now most

878
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:49,330
physicists I'm not even sure if it's

879
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:52,180
include yourself but most physicists

880
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,090
believe that consciousness is a an

881
00:40:02,130 --> 00:39:57,900
emergent phenomenon from fundamentally

882
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:02,140
material a material substrate and I'm

883
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:03,610
unconvinced it might be

884
00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:05,290
I'm just unconvinced and I would like

885
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:07,110
there to be an explanation of

886
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,510
consciousness or more of an a see you

887
00:40:13,290 --> 00:40:11,680
could either you can have a quantum

888
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:13,300
gravity so you can have you can unify

889
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:17,890
them gr and QM but that to me isn't in

890
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:19,420
and of itself a theory of everything I

891
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:21,190
would like more explanation so why is

892
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:22,900
there dark matter what is dark energy

893
00:40:29,310 --> 00:40:25,150
why are the fundamental constants the

894
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:29,320
way they are and maybe that's asking too

895
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:31,930
much maybe it's like lisa lee smolin

896
00:40:37,940 --> 00:40:34,450
where to cut the constants of all of

897
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:37,950
them they change within black holes

898
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:41,500
still that's an explanation

899
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,730
more interested in I see it as broader

900
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:47,230
than most people conceptualize theories

901
00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:49,480
of everything I take the word everything

902
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,590
in other words I take the word

903
00:41:02,890 --> 00:40:53,040
everything very seriously

904
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:05,510
well I give an analogy that I I'm

905
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:07,770
partial to which is a theory of

906
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:09,810
everything is an attempt to look at

907
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,210
chess games being played and to learn

908
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:15,420
the complete set of rules of all chess

909
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:18,420
game it is not a theory of how to play

910
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:20,970
chess well and what can be done inside

911
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:23,840
the game of chess

912
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:26,870
okay so when you're trying to come up

913
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:28,430
with a theory of everything it's really

914
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:30,710
very restricted you're trying to come up

915
00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:33,920
with what is the natural mathematical

916
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:38,350
description all of the rules that

917
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:42,770
generate the universe that we see okay

918
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:46,010
the consequences of those sure sure

919
00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:48,530
let's take this analogy a bit more a bit

920
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:50,390
farther then there's the question of why

921
00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:52,670
are the rules the way they are why are

922
00:41:57,850 --> 00:41:56,390
there pieces at all why these pieces are

923
00:42:00,780 --> 00:41:57,860
those not questions that you think a

924
00:42:03,850 --> 00:42:00,790
theory of everything should answer

925
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:03,860
there's rules and why the rules well

926
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:06,680
look my standard gambit which nobody

927
00:42:11,350 --> 00:42:09,530
ever picks up on is the theory of

928
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:11,360
everything is effectively a newspaper

929
00:42:17,350 --> 00:42:14,270
story with six questions where and when

930
00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:17,360
who and what how and why where and when

931
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:19,880
is obviously space and time which tells

932
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,550
you it's the arena in which things are

933
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:25,280
taking place but who in the what is like

934
00:42:30,580 --> 00:42:28,130
the equipment and the players so I would

935
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,590
say that I'm gonna make the players into

936
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:33,920
the fermions the matter and the

937
00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:37,430
equipment into the bosons the force okay

938
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:41,270
we've got now four of your six questions

939
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:43,330
and then your last two or how and why

940
00:42:49,570 --> 00:42:47,090
I'm gonna say how is the equations and

941
00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:49,580
why Lagrangian that generates the

942
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:52,430
equation now that means that if you

943
00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:56,570
don't know anything about physics you

944
00:43:01,540 --> 00:42:58,820
can remember oh that guy on the internet

945
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:01,550
said where and when who and what how and

946
00:43:08,140 --> 00:43:04,130
why and that that's what constitutes a

947
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:08,150
physical theory so I would say that

948
00:43:13,210 --> 00:43:10,370
that's what I'm responsible for when I'm

949
00:43:15,310 --> 00:43:13,220
trying to give you idiot an

950
00:43:18,580 --> 00:43:15,320
understanding of where all of this comes

951
00:43:21,820 --> 00:43:18,590
from are you ever interested in how is

952
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:21,830
it that the how is it that an electron

953
00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:23,750
knows what to do how is it that it

954
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:27,500
follows the laws at all do you ever

955
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:29,510
think about that cuz that that could

956
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:31,010
blow someone's mind if you just keep

957
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:33,380
thinking about that or maybe it doesn't

958
00:43:37,180 --> 00:43:34,760
maybe ever reason why it shouldn't blow

959
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,190
your mind well it's not how I

960
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:39,680
it I mean the key point is let's just

961
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:44,180
follow my my newspaper story once you've

962
00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:47,240
defined as being wise the lagrangean why

963
00:43:53,710 --> 00:43:50,390
not ask the Bible a Gandhian why is

964
00:43:55,930 --> 00:43:53,720
there any Lagrangian or why why is the

965
00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:55,940
Lagrangian the way of solving the

966
00:44:00,910 --> 00:43:58,700
equations of motion so why do LeBron

967
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:00,920
turn white and how does it even follow

968
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:02,990
the Lagrangian like how does it go about

969
00:44:07,420 --> 00:44:05,290
following the rules

970
00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:07,430
these may be foolish questions and I

971
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:09,380
apologize it pleases it and forgive my

972
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:12,890
my naivety well what we believe is that

973
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,130
the electron if you will constitutes a

974
00:44:21,550 --> 00:44:19,040
kind of a wave in a wave taking place

975
00:44:22,359 --> 00:44:21,560
over the arena which is the who which is

976
00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:22,369
the where and the when

977
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:26,180
that is space-time it is part of the who

978
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:28,160
because it's a player it's part of the

979
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:32,240
matter which corresponds to a wave and

980
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:34,460
you ask to have to ask all waves live in

981
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:36,920
a medium what medium does the electron

982
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:41,060
wave live within that medium is called a

983
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:44,680
fiber bundle and it states a vector mu

984
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:47,089
so now you've got a question okay I've

985
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:48,910
got a vector bundle and I've got a wave

986
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,270
now how does it know how to behave well

987
00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:55,280
that question is implicitly to a

988
00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:56,119
physicist

989
00:45:03,040 --> 00:44:58,750
what differential equation does it obey

990
00:45:04,809 --> 00:45:03,050
now a differential equation is something

991
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,819
that allows us to say how fast it's

992
00:45:10,089 --> 00:45:07,520
moving in time and in space right how

993
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:10,099
does it propagate across the where and

994
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:14,240
the win well that has to involve rates

995
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:15,740
of change which involve derivatives

996
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:17,540
that's why it's a partial differential

997
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:19,369
equation but how do you take a

998
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:21,859
derivative of this crazy gadget which is

999
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:23,690
a wave in a vector bundle now here's the

1000
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:26,750
weird thing the photon is effectively

1001
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:29,000
the instruction for building a

1002
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:32,270
derivative to govern the electron and we

1003
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,980
don't say that I don't know why we don't

1004
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:36,560
say that but a photon is closely

1005
00:45:43,710 --> 00:45:39,470
associated with the derivative operator

1006
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:43,720
on the electron which is effectively a

1007
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:48,319
function we call it a section the garden

1008
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:49,890
variety would be a function

1009
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:52,140
okay that's really cool now I've got a

1010
00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:55,710
derivative which is determined by the

1011
00:45:59,930 --> 00:45:58,350
photon differentiating a function which

1012
00:46:02,560 --> 00:45:59,940
is representing the electron which has

1013
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:02,570
not pushed out to the general public and

1014
00:46:10,210 --> 00:46:07,890
furthermore that derivative has a weird

1015
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:10,220
property which is that what we would say

1016
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:13,530
to our calculus students is that

1017
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:15,270
normally we lie to you and tell you that

1018
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,170
mixed partial derivatives commute

1019
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,460
Ferengi ate a quantity in the X

1020
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:22,020
direction and follow that by

1021
00:46:26,180 --> 00:46:24,630
differentiating the Y or I can start

1022
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:26,190
with the Y Direction following it by

1023
00:46:30,140 --> 00:46:28,110
differentiating the X Direction we claim

1024
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:30,150
that those two represent the same

1025
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:32,790
quantity well when you have the photon

1026
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:35,430
in play they don't so you say okay well

1027
00:46:40,100 --> 00:46:37,260
two objects that I thought were equal

1028
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:40,110
are no longer equal so now you say I

1029
00:46:44,180 --> 00:46:42,150
want to measure the failure of my

1030
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:44,190
calculus class to prepare me for this so

1031
00:46:47,060 --> 00:46:45,450
I'm going to take the difference between

1032
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,070
the two quantities that I thought were

1033
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:49,500
always that are turn out not to be

1034
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:51,930
well that means is the electromagnetic

1035
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,050
field so the electromagnetic field that

1036
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:57,960
we perceive is the amount of lying that

1037
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:01,410
takes place when we attempt to apply the

1038
00:47:08,140 --> 00:47:05,310
rule that mixed partials commute when in

1039
00:47:11,060 --> 00:47:08,150
fact in grown-up mathematics they do not

1040
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:11,070
ok well that allows the electron to

1041
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:13,650
influence the photon so the function is

1042
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:15,300
influencing the derivative and the

1043
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,550
derivative is feeding back on the

1044
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:19,920
function so now you've got this great

1045
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:22,260
situation in which the electron and the

1046
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:24,090
photon are having a conversation with

1047
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:25,710
each other and changing each other's

1048
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:28,290
behavior now what's the name of that

1049
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,490
conversation

1050
00:47:34,530 --> 00:47:32,160
well it's called quantum electrodynamics

1051
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:34,540
or quantum field theory

1052
00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:36,670
that's an amazing story and we don't

1053
00:47:41,340 --> 00:47:38,320
tell it like this and I don't know why

1054
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:41,350
we don't tell it like this right

1055
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:43,870
like it'll air any part of you that that

1056
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:45,460
wants to write a book almost like

1057
00:47:49,830 --> 00:47:47,290
finding the defining lectures of physics

1058
00:47:51,690 --> 00:47:49,840
in his way all right

1059
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:51,700
why find like listen to an internet

1060
00:47:59,850 --> 00:47:57,520
gadfly a non physicist with a supposed

1061
00:48:02,670 --> 00:47:59,860
theory of everything let's just first of

1062
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:02,680
all make contact with the fact that if

1063
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:04,180
there are physicists in your audience

1064
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:07,930
they're getting angry saying understand

1065
00:48:15,420 --> 00:48:13,000
normally normally these guys are cranks

1066
00:48:17,220 --> 00:48:15,430
this guy sounds like he's not a full

1067
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,230
crank I recognize a lot of what he's

1068
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:19,890
saying but he's acting incredibly

1069
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:23,170
irresponsibly so I might be very

1070
00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:25,030
interested in writing that book once the

1071
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,460
theory is understood and accepted but

1072
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:29,440
let's be clear I am acting as an

1073
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:33,190
imposter I'm not a physicist I've taken

1074
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:35,140
I think one semester of mechanics

1075
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:38,080
I haven't taken quantum theory I haven't

1076
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:40,630
taken electromagnetism I haven't taken

1077
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:42,490
the standard sequence I haven't even

1078
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:45,370
taken the full mechanics so whatever

1079
00:48:49,620 --> 00:48:47,140
you're looking at and whatever you're

1080
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,630
talking to me about we just just put a

1081
00:48:53,610 --> 00:48:51,520
warning label for the benefit of our

1082
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,620
friends in the physics community but

1083
00:48:57,630 --> 00:48:55,440
this is a totally unauthorized

1084
00:48:59,130 --> 00:48:57,640
conversation now the fact that I think

1085
00:49:00,420 --> 00:48:59,140
that they're falling down on the job

1086
00:49:02,970 --> 00:49:00,430
because they didn't tell you that the

1087
00:49:04,770 --> 00:49:02,980
photon was part of a derivative and that

1088
00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:04,780
they didn't define the electromagnetic

1089
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:07,990
field strength as volt VM lying about

1090
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:10,120
mixed partials and they haven't really

1091
00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:12,910
teased out the fact that theoretical

1092
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:14,830
physics is a newspaper story and most of

1093
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:16,030
their readers don't really know what a

1094
00:49:19,950 --> 00:49:18,010
Lagrangian is and they spend all their

1095
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:19,960
time on the double slit experiment and

1096
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:21,610
the entanglement in many worlds other

1097
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:24,280
time wasting activities you know I have

1098
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,290
a very deep disagreement with the

1099
00:49:29,490 --> 00:49:27,760
physics community about what they're

1100
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:29,500
pushing out to the lay community that

1101
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:32,080
they expect to support the physics in

1102
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:34,630
them I think but a terrible

1103
00:49:40,410 --> 00:49:37,330
and so in part they should be pissed off

1104
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:40,420
that I'm calling them bad exponents of

1105
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:42,310
their field and that they have failed to

1106
00:49:46,690 --> 00:49:44,110
advance their field in 50 years and they

1107
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,700
should say that I'm an imposter

1108
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:49,040
but at the end of that day the key

1109
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,810
question is is anybody going to move

1110
00:49:55,330 --> 00:49:52,400
this field forward and I'm certainly

1111
00:49:57,730 --> 00:49:55,340
going to try my hand at it you know I

1112
00:50:00,990 --> 00:49:57,740
see the vitriol thrown at you

1113
00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:01,000
from the physics community as akin to

1114
00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:03,560
the word cultural appropriation and let

1115
00:50:07,450 --> 00:50:06,260
me just explain my analogy here I'm just

1116
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:07,460
gonna read because I have some notes

1117
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:09,170
here so you mentioned that physics

1118
00:50:12,310 --> 00:50:10,490
businesses should be thanking you

1119
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:12,320
because you put out intellectual novel

1120
00:50:15,730 --> 00:50:13,910
novelties to the public in the form of

1121
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:15,740
offer your graduates did I say that the

1122
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:17,470
physicist should be thanking me just now

1123
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:20,870
not now but on on Bryan Keating's

1124
00:50:27,700 --> 00:50:25,850
podcast yeah okay just let me just let

1125
00:50:29,950 --> 00:50:27,710
me finish let me think elect me after

1126
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:29,960
because you put out curiosities such as

1127
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:32,060
vibrations yet physicists at least the

1128
00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:37,990
popular ones tend to not acknowledge the

1129
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:39,950
the good that you're doing for the

1130
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:42,980
physics community by by getting people

1131
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:45,050
interested in physics and it could be

1132
00:50:47,500 --> 00:50:46,400
potentially out of spite now I'm

1133
00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:47,510
wondering if there's a parallel between

1134
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,820
this and emergence of the term cultural

1135
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,400
appropriation I was like why am i well I

1136
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,640
think the now G is is befitting that

1137
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:57,200
there's some group say black people or

1138
00:51:00,970 --> 00:50:58,670
brown people and they weren't able to

1139
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:00,980
get success in some market for whatever

1140
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:02,450
reason for it perhaps predominately

1141
00:51:06,070 --> 00:51:04,760
racism in this case and so they feel

1142
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:06,080
like they have to demean themselves by

1143
00:51:10,750 --> 00:51:07,760
playing to the lowest common denominator

1144
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:10,760
for the most part and then some outsider

1145
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,890
comes usually white in their estimation

1146
00:51:17,260 --> 00:51:15,200
it could be Elvis or could be Eminem and

1147
00:51:18,780 --> 00:51:17,270
takes their dance moves or accents and

1148
00:51:22,330 --> 00:51:18,790
makes it palatable to a larger audience

1149
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:22,340
now when I think about this part of me

1150
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:23,630
says that this should be a move for

1151
00:51:30,510 --> 00:51:26,180
celebration because it allows the

1152
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:30,520
consumption of of previously niche and

1153
00:51:36,490 --> 00:51:34,370
and black or minority areas for the

1154
00:51:38,290 --> 00:51:36,500
wider audience like rap music now white

1155
00:51:42,430 --> 00:51:38,300
people up rap music because of Eminem

1156
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:42,440
and so in a sense it should be it should

1157
00:51:47,470 --> 00:51:45,260
be thought of thought of as a boon but

1158
00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:47,480
and perhaps I'm going out on a limb it's

1159
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:49,460
not because of perhaps deep seeded

1160
00:51:52,750 --> 00:51:51,170
hatred that someone else was successful

1161
00:51:54,310 --> 00:51:52,760
in domain that they tried to be

1162
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:54,320
successful in which makes them envious

1163
00:51:57,790 --> 00:51:55,730
and so they come up with this

1164
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:57,800
intellectual justification in the form

1165
00:52:01,230 --> 00:51:59,170
of a construct like

1166
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:01,240
cultural appropriation now do you see

1167
00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:02,530
the same phenomenon happening right now

1168
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:05,230
to you worth you promulgating science

1169
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:07,510
particularly math physics and ideas from

1170
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:09,369
economics into the broader public sphere

1171
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:10,930
when physicists have been twiddling

1172
00:52:13,980 --> 00:52:12,970
their you're a real troublemaker career

1173
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:13,990
this is very interesting

1174
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:15,730
okay there and and they're parroting the

1175
00:52:21,690 --> 00:52:18,730
same over trod and trite Schrodinger's

1176
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:21,700
cat twin paradox all right do you want

1177
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:22,690
to really get into this thing like

1178
00:52:30,780 --> 00:52:24,970
digging this yeah yeah let's go all

1179
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:30,790
right so who is Otis blackwell I don't

1180
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:33,609
know that's the problem you'd mentioned

1181
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,670
Elvis but you don't even know the name

1182
00:52:44,839 --> 00:52:39,280
Oh dis Blackwell and Otis army

1183
00:52:46,770 --> 00:52:44,849
in large measure made Elvis Presley not

1184
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:46,780
single-handedly but he is one of the

1185
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:48,970
people who wrote the songs and sang the

1186
00:52:54,329 --> 00:52:52,210
songs that Elvis Presley made famous so

1187
00:52:56,579 --> 00:52:54,339
you know this is a problem that I talked

1188
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:56,589
about on my podcast with Stephon

1189
00:53:01,680 --> 00:52:58,500
Alexander but in the initial

1190
00:53:04,859 --> 00:53:01,690
introductory essay which was coming to

1191
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:04,869
understand that there were three names

1192
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:06,970
that I kept finding on all the rock and

1193
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:10,440
roll that I loved McKinley Morganfield

1194
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:14,500
Dixon and Ellis McDaniel who these guys

1195
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:16,630
I didn't know so I had to find out and

1196
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:18,730
turned out that McKinley Morganfield was

1197
00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:22,450
Muddy Waters W Dixon was Willie Dixon

1198
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,000
the great blues writer from Chicago and

1199
00:53:31,319 --> 00:53:27,040
Ellis McDaniel was a guy named Bo

1200
00:53:33,539 --> 00:53:31,329
Diddley the idea that a lot of these

1201
00:53:36,089 --> 00:53:33,549
cats never got their due and that other

1202
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:36,099
people were less talented got richly

1203
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,230
rewarded for the work that they had done

1204
00:53:43,770 --> 00:53:40,990
is part of a problem I don't think

1205
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:43,780
that's the situation in physics I don't

1206
00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:45,910
think you know if you look at Elvis

1207
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:48,790
Presley go look at the video for

1208
00:53:58,140 --> 00:53:51,990
jailhouse rock and tell me that guy

1209
00:54:00,089 --> 00:53:58,150
wasn't an unbelievable genius on top of

1210
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:00,099
Otis blackwell you Otis Blackwell may

1211
00:54:03,059 --> 00:54:01,630
have been a genius for writing the songs

1212
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:03,069
and all this Presley was a different

1213
00:54:06,569 --> 00:54:05,500
genius on top of that team that's not

1214
00:54:09,059 --> 00:54:06,579
the same thing

1215
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:09,069
well something Bobby Darin version of

1216
00:54:12,539 --> 00:54:10,990
what did I say which happens to be

1217
00:54:14,249 --> 00:54:12,549
palatal it's not near

1218
00:54:17,819 --> 00:54:14,259
is frightening is when Ray Charles sings

1219
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:17,829
a proper that situation is different

1220
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:20,410
than saying look I don't even know what

1221
00:54:24,449 --> 00:54:22,329
you guys are doing you claim to be high

1222
00:54:25,739 --> 00:54:24,459
energy physicist to spend your time

1223
00:54:28,349 --> 00:54:25,749
talking about things that have nothing

1224
00:54:30,959 --> 00:54:28,359
to do with high energy physics you're

1225
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:30,969
talking about khalaby Yau manifolds and

1226
00:54:35,429 --> 00:54:32,650
worlds that we will never visit because

1227
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:35,439
they don't actually exist because you

1228
00:54:40,169 --> 00:54:38,049
ran out of ways to attack the problems

1229
00:54:42,269 --> 00:54:40,179
which you're specifically employed to

1230
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:42,279
try to solve that's a very different

1231
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:43,150
situation

1232
00:54:47,249 --> 00:54:44,819
and I do want to help that community

1233
00:54:50,999 --> 00:54:47,259
because I just don't find that that

1234
00:54:53,069 --> 00:54:51,009
community understands how much its

1235
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:53,079
elders have run it into the ground

1236
00:54:58,979 --> 00:54:56,380
I mean marvel at the old h-bomb footage

1237
00:55:02,219 --> 00:54:58,989
and recognize what theoretical physics

1238
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:02,229
is capable I mean you can't ignore it as

1239
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:05,680
being a highly capable subject

1240
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:08,230
right now we've failed to make progress

1241
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:09,910
and so long people don't even remember

1242
00:55:17,220 --> 00:55:12,670
what they're doing it were they've never

1243
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:17,230
seen a breakthrough in their lifetime

1244
00:55:21,870 --> 00:55:19,480
only the really old people have seen the

1245
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:21,880
breakthroughs it's a lot like the only

1246
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:23,740
people have ever walked in the moon on

1247
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:27,609
the moon or you know in their 70s or 80s

1248
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:32,079
and higher there's something about the

1249
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:38,700
now is your art of motivation is

1250
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:42,700
entirely altruistic I say that no no no

1251
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:44,670
absolutely they're not entirely out I

1252
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,540
think that I can buy much more cocaine

1253
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:51,760
if I actually win a Nobel Prize than

1254
00:56:00,060 --> 00:55:54,609
without what are you asking me Kurt I'll

1255
00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:00,070
tell you because for me I I I take a

1256
00:56:03,930 --> 00:56:02,920
step back when I say that I'm trying to

1257
00:56:05,550 --> 00:56:03,940
help the world I'm trying to move the

1258
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,560
world forward cuz I find myself saying

1259
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,500
that a lot especially to myself and as I

1260
00:56:13,170 --> 00:56:10,240
studied more psychoanalysis I realized

1261
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:13,180
well there's much more deep-seated envy

1262
00:56:19,290 --> 00:56:15,250
and hatred and callousness associated

1263
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:19,300
with my motivations then then I let on

1264
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:21,910
so for doing me both brother so I'll

1265
00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:23,710
give you an example when I was young

1266
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,349
fairly young I heard about the Riemann

1267
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:27,280
hypothesis and I was like I'm gonna

1268
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:29,050
prove that and now part of me would say

1269
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:30,190
I'm gonna prove that because that would

1270
00:56:35,010 --> 00:56:31,450
be great for the mathematical community

1271
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:35,020
but the other part is that maybe I want

1272
00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:36,640
more attention and I want people to

1273
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:40,270
recognize me as someone who can be on

1274
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:43,210
their level of intellectual prowess yeah

1275
00:56:50,030 --> 00:56:47,770
and and so I'm curious and this snot

1276
00:56:52,770 --> 00:56:50,040
that's not a gotcha question at all and

1277
00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:52,780
I'm curious what you've well you see

1278
00:57:05,819 --> 00:56:59,260
your non benevolent reasons for pursuing

1279
00:57:06,730 --> 00:57:05,829
a theory of everything it's an

1280
00:57:08,109 --> 00:57:06,740
interesting in bizarre

1281
00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:08,119
questions is turning out to be one hell

1282
00:57:14,859 --> 00:57:12,860
of an interview I guess the way I look

1283
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:14,869
at it is you have to look at my behavior

1284
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:16,910
if I've been playing with this theory

1285
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:25,760
since 1980 83 84 and I really didn't

1286
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:27,590
come through to talk about it with the

1287
00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:33,670
world until I guess 2013 at Oxford I

1288
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:36,320
would not say that wanting to be

1289
00:57:41,859 --> 00:57:39,290
recognized was very high on my list in

1290
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:41,869
fact I don't really like it it's fun to

1291
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,090
get the affirmation people tell you

1292
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:46,160
great work and oh my god I can't believe

1293
00:57:50,890 --> 00:57:48,140
I'm meeting you there's a very quick

1294
00:57:56,140 --> 00:57:50,900
buzz that very quickly fades off with

1295
00:57:59,230 --> 00:57:56,150
that you lose your privacy you have to

1296
00:58:01,240 --> 00:57:59,240
deal with very angry people who are very

1297
00:58:04,359 --> 00:58:01,250
often miss portraying you sometimes they

1298
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:04,369
have ways to do it at scale I don't love

1299
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:06,980
this party

1300
00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:11,630
I am at my happiest when I'm working

1301
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:13,940
completely alone on something that

1302
00:58:19,390 --> 00:58:16,690
nobody even knows that I'm working so

1303
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:19,400
that's a very awkward thing for me to

1304
00:58:22,090 --> 00:58:20,930
deal with which is that as soon as you

1305
00:58:24,550 --> 00:58:22,100
come out and you say that you've been

1306
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,560
working on something in my case it took

1307
00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:26,960
my friend Marcus - so joy more or less

1308
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:29,510
telling me you don't have a right to sit

1309
00:58:35,770 --> 00:58:34,010
on top of the city so I don't think my

1310
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,780
motivations are very different than my

1311
00:58:41,830 --> 00:58:38,720
motivations for playing the piano I

1312
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:41,840
don't think I've ever performed playing

1313
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:44,390
the piano in public I guarantee you that

1314
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:45,980
if you put me on a desert island with

1315
00:58:51,420 --> 00:58:48,980
the tune piano and no one to pick me up

1316
00:58:54,070 --> 00:58:51,430
for five years I'd be a piano every day

1317
00:58:58,030 --> 00:58:54,080
simply for my own reasons and I think

1318
00:58:59,980 --> 00:58:58,040
it's the same thing as the physics now

1319
00:59:01,420 --> 00:58:59,990
if someone asked me for like insight

1320
00:59:04,650 --> 00:59:01,430
into my character yeah there's a

1321
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,660
delusional aspect to my character

1322
00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:07,520
you mean the same if everything you have

1323
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:12,280
to be deluded and another megalomaniacal

1324
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:13,430
really

1325
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:19,030
I think I'm extremely overconfident and

1326
00:59:25,350 --> 00:59:20,980
that I feel like I can accomplish

1327
00:59:27,580 --> 00:59:25,360
virtually any task that's not physical

1328
00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:27,590
when I say physical I mean I don't I

1329
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:29,420
don't think I can run that quickly nor

1330
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:35,200
lift too heavy a weight but but I was

1331
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:37,490
but it's rare for me to find something

1332
00:59:43,450 --> 00:59:41,210
that that's outside of my skull it's

1333
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:43,460
actually no no it takes a little 7 times

1334
00:59:50,860 --> 00:59:49,130
29 great ok no just say that look the

1335
00:59:53,380 --> 00:59:50,870
situation is I don't think it's

1336
00:59:55,870 --> 00:59:53,390
megalomaniacal I think it's delusional I

1337
00:59:58,600 --> 00:59:55,880
think that there is a delusion and the

1338
01:00:01,630 --> 00:59:58,610
key question is can you pay back the the

1339
01:00:03,730 --> 01:00:01,640
cost of the delusion is the delusion

1340
01:00:05,770 --> 01:00:03,740
actually buy you something I'm sure that

1341
01:00:08,190 --> 01:00:05,780
Shackleton was delusional when he said

1342
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:08,200
that he would rescue his men

1343
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:10,840
but he did rescue his men but he had no

1344
01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:12,100
reason to think that he could pull it

1345
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:14,740
off so you had his you have to be crazy

1346
01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:16,270
enough to think that you can in order

1347
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:18,310
for you to attempt it yeah and I have I

1348
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:19,930
have a saying which is you have to be

1349
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:22,210
crazy enough to Stu dumb enough to get

1350
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:25,570
in and smart enough to get out so you

1351
01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:26,950
have to be dumb enough to constrain

1352
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:29,260
yourself in a burning building you know

1353
01:00:32,430 --> 01:00:30,850
with no exit and then you have to be

1354
01:00:34,830 --> 01:00:32,440
smart enough to figure out a way out of

1355
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:34,840
the puzzle Eric how did you see that

1356
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:37,410
something was going on with the nf NSF

1357
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:39,670
how are you smart enough to figure it

1358
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:40,900
out I'm not saying that you're not smart

1359
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:42,850
I mean like how did you notice that well

1360
01:00:46,650 --> 01:00:45,250
what red flags were there and then what

1361
01:00:49,140 --> 01:00:46,660
led you down that route does someone say

1362
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:49,150
by the way look up this paper well first

1363
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:50,530
of all you should let people know what

1364
01:00:54,210 --> 01:00:52,810
you you just changed context radically

1365
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:54,220
so you should introduce what you're

1366
01:01:00,660 --> 01:00:56,530
talking the National Science Foundation

1367
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:00,670
I believe in the 1980s said that there

1368
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:04,930
will be a shortage of of people

1369
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:06,370
interested in stem where people getting

1370
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,690
degrees in stem and that's going to be

1371
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:10,000
deleterious for the United States and so

1372
01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:12,670
we need to increase the supply of people

1373
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:14,800
coming into the STEM fields and one of

1374
01:01:19,830 --> 01:01:17,520
the ways we can do that is by allowing

1375
01:01:23,090 --> 01:01:19,840
it's being moral acts on our immigration

1376
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:23,100
policy now that seems to have been

1377
01:01:28,770 --> 01:01:26,530
falsely constructed by the NSF for some

1378
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:28,780
other purpose which I would like to get

1379
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:31,810
into because I maybe I'm too foolish but

1380
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,400
I wasn't able to figure that out from

1381
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:34,960
the article like what was their actual

1382
01:01:41,310 --> 01:01:37,570
motivation was it money was it okay we

1383
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:41,320
can get into that and it has and it has

1384
01:01:47,100 --> 01:01:44,230
had in the short-term negative effects

1385
01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:47,110
that is an oversupply of the market and

1386
01:01:52,110 --> 01:01:49,420
a lessening of the salaries for people

1387
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:52,120
who are PhDs postdocs and lessening of

1388
01:01:59,970 --> 01:01:54,730
opportunities for them even though it

1389
01:02:01,680 --> 01:01:59,980
was said to be salutary on the whole now

1390
01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:01,690
I hope that I'm summarizing that

1391
01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:03,880
correctly and please correct me if I'm

1392
01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:10,590
wrong well what I noticed was that

1393
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:13,380
institutions were obviously lying

1394
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:21,170
right so you know just just shaggy

1395
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:23,010
instructs when you get caught red-handed

1396
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:26,030
you should just hate it wasn't me

1397
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,170
by the way Chuck Berry also wrote a

1398
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:30,000
great song it wasn't me I would check

1399
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:30,960
out George Thorogood

1400
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:34,170
version of every month footnote footnote

1401
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:36,930
um I thought it was very clear that the

1402
01:02:40,430 --> 01:02:38,730
National Science Foundation was too

1403
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:40,440
smart to be saying things that were too

1404
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:45,480
dumb and there are no labor shortages

1405
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:47,310
long-term labor shortages in market

1406
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,680
economies that is that is a feature of a

1407
01:02:53,930 --> 01:02:51,660
centrally planned economy but because

1408
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:53,940
the wage level is intended to rise based

1409
01:02:58,940 --> 01:02:57,480
on this claim me one of the great things

1410
01:03:00,740 --> 01:02:58,950
about being part of the capitalist

1411
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:00,750
society is recognizing that labor

1412
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:02,700
shortages don't exist in fact labor

1413
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:08,490
shortages are the misconstrue l' of wage

1414
01:03:13,220 --> 01:03:10,290
pressure which is exactly what was

1415
01:03:15,860 --> 01:03:13,230
needed to make sure that we had a more

1416
01:03:17,450 --> 01:03:15,870
equal society now during the 80s when

1417
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:17,460
people started talking about the only

1418
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:19,830
thing that makes a more equal society as

1419
01:03:24,590 --> 01:03:23,100
being a problem I thought wow you're

1420
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,600
talking about labor shortages in a

1421
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:26,400
market economy clearly you're trying to

1422
01:03:31,130 --> 01:03:28,050
pick someone's pocket why are you

1423
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:31,140
putting that a great thora thing and

1424
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:33,000
just as an aside to the people listening

1425
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:37,740
if it sits it would have been good for

1426
01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,690
the minorities and for and for women had

1427
01:03:46,310 --> 01:03:43,980
had the immigration policy has not been

1428
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:46,320
instantiated the way they were oh my god

1429
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,220
would it have been amazing employers

1430
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:52,260
would have had to work so much harder

1431
01:03:57,910 --> 01:03:54,330
they would have had to put so much more

1432
01:04:00,980 --> 01:03:57,920
money into time and for training and

1433
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:00,990
recruiting from non-traditional pools of

1434
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,420
talent it would have been amazing for

1435
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:05,640
young women who want to have a few

1436
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:07,290
children and want to be able to

1437
01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:11,040
negotiate their ability to be serious

1438
01:04:17,300 --> 01:04:15,060
academics while taking you know five to

1439
01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:17,310
10 to 15 years to raise their their kids

1440
01:04:22,290 --> 01:04:19,720
would be terrific

1441
01:04:25,260 --> 01:04:22,300
you know you're talking about mutual

1442
01:04:27,150 --> 01:04:25,270
contact of ours Stephane Alexander

1443
01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:27,160
you know growing up as the son of the

1444
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:30,369
cab driver in the Bronx coming from a

1445
01:04:36,570 --> 01:04:32,410
treated Trinidadian background one of

1446
01:04:38,250 --> 01:04:36,580
the only black physicists at the top of

1447
01:04:40,830 --> 01:04:38,260
the game

1448
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:40,840
how much greater would it have been if

1449
01:04:44,849 --> 01:04:42,460
there were a recruiters coming to

1450
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:44,859
Steph's high school and his his milieu

1451
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:46,480
and saying hey how do we get you kids

1452
01:04:51,810 --> 01:04:49,690
interested introduced to mathematical

1453
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:51,820
physics at the highest level it is a

1454
01:04:57,060 --> 01:04:55,450
complete tragedy that we allowed

1455
01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:57,070
ourselves to be bamboozled this goes

1456
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:58,690
back to an earlier question of yours

1457
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:00,400
Kurt you asked the question of how do I

1458
01:05:06,089 --> 01:05:01,690
always have a different take on

1459
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:06,099
everything how could all of the world's

1460
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:08,740
smart people agree on labor shortages in

1461
01:05:16,290 --> 01:05:11,530
a market economy with nobody saying this

1462
01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:16,300
is total [\h__\h] almost there's two

1463
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:17,619
there's two claim to me there one that

1464
01:05:19,890 --> 01:05:18,730
they all agree and one that they don't

1465
01:05:20,790 --> 01:05:19,900
speak up and I would say it's the latter

1466
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:20,800
they don't speak up they don't

1467
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,599
necessarily agree okay well what does it

1468
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:28,240
tell you when everyone is silent right

1469
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:33,310
so that is a form of agreement I agree

1470
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:34,720
with you that it's you know it's very

1471
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:38,770
often by omission right every economist

1472
01:05:42,690 --> 01:05:40,630
knows why you don't have labor shortages

1473
01:05:44,099 --> 01:05:42,700
in a market economy and yet they remain

1474
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:44,109
mute because they know who their real

1475
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,270
bosses are why did the National Science

1476
01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:50,880
Foundation do what they did

1477
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:55,660
money well Reagan I believe appointed

1478
01:06:00,359 --> 01:05:57,849
somebody for the first time came from

1479
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:00,369
industry rather than from academics to

1480
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:02,730
head the NSF which was Erich Bois

1481
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:07,570
believed he was hired from IBM and he

1482
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:09,369
had one of these kind of corporate

1483
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:11,410
mindsets which is okay we were facing a

1484
01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:14,650
problem people there was a huge bulge of

1485
01:06:20,700 --> 01:06:18,180
hires during 60s we had a baby boom and

1486
01:06:23,579 --> 01:06:20,710
now we're gonna be facing a demographic

1487
01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:23,589
short shortfall so we don't want to have

1488
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:25,900
to pay higher prices for all of the

1489
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:28,570
technical talent what do we do so it's

1490
01:06:31,770 --> 01:06:29,710
like that you know it's like the AGI

1491
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:31,780
paperclip machine somebody sets up a

1492
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:33,130
problem that says we don't want to have

1493
01:06:35,490 --> 01:06:33,400
to

1494
01:06:37,710 --> 01:06:35,500
an inflated cost for technical talent

1495
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:37,720
the first answer is you don't get to do

1496
01:06:44,100 --> 01:06:41,620
that the second answer is you don't get

1497
01:06:46,890 --> 01:06:44,110
to do that you dick like don't be a

1498
01:06:50,430 --> 01:06:46,900
complete [\h__\h] and restructure the

1499
01:06:53,130 --> 01:06:50,440
labor market around scientists the needs

1500
01:06:56,010 --> 01:06:53,140
of scientific employers you just don't

1501
01:06:59,160 --> 01:06:56,020
have those rights yet that was the

1502
01:07:00,990 --> 01:06:59,170
charge and when he did do that got a

1503
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:01,000
group called the policy research and

1504
01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:02,710
analysis division of the National

1505
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:05,230
Science Foundation to do an economic

1506
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:09,250
study about the wages now the problem is

1507
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:10,750
is that you're not allowed to do this

1508
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:12,730
you're not allowed to go after the wages

1509
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:15,040
of scientists as the National Science

1510
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:18,730
Foundation it's like you you know you

1511
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:20,170
you wanted to know who should mind the

1512
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:22,680
henhouse and so you find the best fox

1513
01:07:26,940 --> 01:07:25,090
that you can find to guard the henhouse

1514
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,950
and to learn how to manage it the Fox

1515
01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:30,160
sets itself you know a task which is how

1516
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:31,870
do we make sure that the chickens are

1517
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,450
lined up in an orderly fashion and as

1518
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:36,960
far as I from your article another

1519
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:39,520
aspect that wasn't too great about the

1520
01:07:43,860 --> 01:07:42,010
PRA was that they didn't consult with

1521
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:43,870
economists themselves they had their own

1522
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:46,480
team which weren't which already had a

1523
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:48,010
conclusion that they wanted to prove and

1524
01:07:52,740 --> 01:07:50,890
it was seriously they did it they had

1525
01:07:54,510 --> 01:07:52,750
economists they had their own economists

1526
01:07:56,970 --> 01:07:54,520
their economists were very competent

1527
01:07:59,550 --> 01:07:56,980
they were not incompetent the problem

1528
01:08:02,070 --> 01:07:59,560
was they weren't supposed to be trying

1529
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:02,080
to figure out how to screw over American

1530
01:08:05,970 --> 01:08:04,210
technical talent at the bargaining table

1531
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:05,980
for salary negotiations that's an

1532
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:10,180
illegal and/or an immoral thing to do

1533
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:11,710
nobody's gonna support that how do we

1534
01:08:16,260 --> 01:08:13,990
figure out how to screw over our own

1535
01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:16,270
technical talent can you imagine putting

1536
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:17,230
that in front of the American people

1537
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,690
America's technical employers need to

1538
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:21,520
screw over the next generation how do we

1539
01:08:26,370 --> 01:08:24,100
lure unsuspecting kids with very high

1540
01:08:28,050 --> 01:08:26,380
abilities into a and decimate their

1541
01:08:31,140 --> 01:08:28,060
abilities to bargain back bargain

1542
01:08:32,180 --> 01:08:31,150
because that's what they were doing all

1543
01:08:35,450 --> 01:08:32,190
right

1544
01:08:37,550 --> 01:08:35,460
so what they had to do now now that

1545
01:08:39,380 --> 01:08:37,560
they'd studied the wage they had to come

1546
01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:39,390
up with an argument that didn't involve

1547
01:08:43,999 --> 01:08:41,940
wages because no one was going to

1548
01:08:44,959 --> 01:08:44,009
support the idea of screwing oversight

1549
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:44,969
right right right

1550
01:08:52,340 --> 01:08:48,299
so now they said if we subtract off the

1551
01:08:54,380 --> 01:08:52,350
demand curves for labor and only talk

1552
01:08:56,780 --> 01:08:54,390
about the supply curbs then we can't

1553
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:56,790
cross supply and demand and have people

1554
01:09:01,760 --> 01:08:59,339
ask us about wages so we're going to

1555
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:01,770
take the economic analysis which is in

1556
01:09:06,410 --> 01:09:04,049
fact competence and we're going to turn

1557
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,420
it into incompetence demographic

1558
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:08,460
analysis by subtracting the demand

1559
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:10,049
curves that we have in our own internal

1560
01:09:15,470 --> 01:09:12,449
studies and then we're going to push out

1561
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,480
some fake stuff for the public this is

1562
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:17,520
the beginning of fake news coming out of

1563
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,520
the National Science Foundation so then

1564
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:23,279
they stirred up a panic which is that

1565
01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:24,930
we're gonna have a demographic shortfall

1566
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:26,670
meaning that there's a baby bust that

1567
01:09:34,579 --> 01:09:31,370
follows the baby boom and we need relief

1568
01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:34,589
by relief what we mean is a transfer of

1569
01:09:40,150 --> 01:09:37,980
wealth from Americans who work to

1570
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:40,160
Americans who employ Americans who work

1571
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:43,140
so why we are suddenly becoming so

1572
01:09:50,420 --> 01:09:46,650
sympathetic with scientific employers is

1573
01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:50,430
beyond anyone like why are scientific

1574
01:09:56,860 --> 01:09:53,790
employers something that needs bleep we

1575
01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:56,870
don't know so what they do

1576
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:58,670
they panicked the country into passing

1577
01:10:04,030 --> 01:10:01,520
the Immigration Act of 1990 sometimes

1578
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:04,040
called a MACT 90 which had the h-1b

1579
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:06,470
provision and other provisions and then

1580
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:08,240
it was later found out about two years

1581
01:10:13,390 --> 01:10:10,910
later that they had faked this entire

1582
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:13,400
analysis in hearings held before

1583
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:16,400
Congress and what I did on top of that

1584
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:19,160
was to find and locate the actual study

1585
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:23,090
that proves that in 1986 they were doing

1586
01:10:27,220 --> 01:10:25,940
secret studies inside of NSF and the

1587
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:27,230
National Academy of Science and

1588
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:28,550
something called the government

1589
01:10:34,650 --> 01:10:31,810
university industry research Roundtable

1590
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,660
and how to gut the bargaining power of

1591
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:37,150
the American scientists and for that

1592
01:10:41,820 --> 01:10:38,830
they should be consigned to hell I mean

1593
01:10:44,190 --> 01:10:41,830
it's an absolutely unethical program

1594
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:44,200
which was then covered up by anybody who

1595
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:46,060
challenges it is a xenophobe or doesn't

1596
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:47,290
believe in the best and the brightest

1597
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:48,490
which is the funniest part of it all

1598
01:10:52,590 --> 01:10:51,070
yeah I saw a tweet that recently you

1599
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:52,600
excoriated because the person said

1600
01:10:58,970 --> 01:10:54,490
you're a pure villain or pure evil if

1601
01:11:01,290 --> 01:10:58,980
you don't allow an open border

1602
01:11:03,210 --> 01:11:01,300
unfortunately we don't know that there's

1603
01:11:04,710 --> 01:11:03,220
an answer to whether or not children

1604
01:11:08,010 --> 01:11:04,720
should be allowed on the internet but

1605
01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:08,020
there are many of them unclear okay now

1606
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:09,430
I don't know too much so please forgive

1607
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:10,630
me I don't know too much about US law

1608
01:11:14,910 --> 01:11:12,910
and it seems like two years later 1992

1609
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:14,920
around that time they figured out that

1610
01:11:18,830 --> 01:11:16,810
the NSF was lying and there was like you

1611
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:18,840
said a congressional meeting about it

1612
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:21,760
so that to me sounds like well it was

1613
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:23,890
just a two-year program if the effects

1614
01:11:28,980 --> 01:11:27,070
shouldn't be felt now did it was there

1615
01:11:31,350 --> 01:11:28,990
any change is it more drastic now oh

1616
01:11:32,970 --> 01:11:31,360
they got what they wanted they changed

1617
01:11:37,170 --> 01:11:32,980
the law and now you have a permanent

1618
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:37,180
cabal of employers who every time you

1619
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:39,280
talk about decreasing their access to

1620
01:11:44,580 --> 01:11:41,640
visas I mean just picture

1621
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:44,590
multi-billionaire employers whining

1622
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:46,210
about a labor shortage in a market

1623
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:49,720
economy when their workers can't put

1624
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:51,700
pressure on I mean look there's

1625
01:12:05,270 --> 01:11:55,530
something evil about technical employers

1626
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:05,280
just positively evil you know when you

1627
01:12:09,380 --> 01:12:06,890
talk about the transfer of wealth from

1628
01:12:11,060 --> 01:12:09,390
the employees to the employers you're

1629
01:12:12,710 --> 01:12:11,070
referring to that the salaries would

1630
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,720
have been higher for the employees of

1631
01:12:16,350 --> 01:12:14,800
Americans

1632
01:12:17,879 --> 01:12:16,360
and so the employees didn't want to pay

1633
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:17,889
more employers didn't want to pay more

1634
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:19,420
and that's why they like well it's also

1635
01:12:25,310 --> 01:12:21,250
the case that we produce a different

1636
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:25,320
style of product you know the Chinese

1637
01:12:29,129 --> 01:12:27,340
graduate student in the American

1638
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:29,139
graduate student are coming from very

1639
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:32,260
different mill use the US has been

1640
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:36,460
drenched in freedom and you know even

1641
01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:39,699
leading Chinese people in tech will tell

1642
01:12:43,500 --> 01:12:41,800
me we have a culture of obedience that

1643
01:12:46,049 --> 01:12:43,510
stretches back thousands of years that's

1644
01:12:48,060 --> 01:12:46,059
not me saying that that's Chinese people

1645
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:48,070
saying this

1646
01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:52,060
um do you want a worker who's gonna give

1647
01:12:56,370 --> 01:12:54,190
you lip and be in a position where they

1648
01:12:59,040 --> 01:12:56,380
don't have to take your crap if they

1649
01:13:00,540 --> 01:12:59,050
don't want to or do you wanted to deal

1650
01:13:02,460 --> 01:13:00,550
with somebody who's tethered to you

1651
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,470
because of the conditions of their music

1652
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:04,000
who has grown up in an authoritarian

1653
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:07,300
regime who you can tell what to do I

1654
01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:09,490
mean I have I conducted interviews for

1655
01:13:14,670 --> 01:13:11,590
the American Society of cell biologists

1656
01:13:16,890 --> 01:13:14,680
and there were multiple biologists who

1657
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:16,900
referred to the foreign workers and

1658
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:19,570
students in their labs as literally

1659
01:13:27,660 --> 01:13:24,880
slave labor so you know you're talking

1660
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:27,670
to an employer talking about their slave

1661
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:30,960
labor and laughing about

1662
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:34,800
I just find it astounding this seems to

1663
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:36,900
be a running thread that you notice is

1664
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,020
that people have a conclusion and then

1665
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:42,060
they come up you know with a they come

1666
01:13:46,220 --> 01:13:44,460
up with a reason to the public to

1667
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:46,230
justify some actions so that they can

1668
01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:47,820
have this conclusion for example it was

1669
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:50,550
one one recent one it was with the masks

1670
01:13:56,540 --> 01:13:54,449
that we don't want hospitals to run out

1671
01:13:59,689 --> 01:13:56,550
of masks so let's tell people you didn't

1672
01:14:01,490 --> 01:13:59,699
master or ill effective but they're

1673
01:14:05,780 --> 01:14:01,500
worse than that but you know that in an

1674
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:05,790
infected mask can get you sick right and

1675
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:09,150
I see this too on the on the extreme

1676
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:10,530
left so for example I was talking to

1677
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,820
someone who is part of the social

1678
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,679
justice studies and what tip it was I

1679
01:14:17,330 --> 01:14:15,600
was with my brother actually and we

1680
01:14:18,649 --> 01:14:17,340
talked we pointed to some breed of dog

1681
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:18,659
so you know that's an intelligent breed

1682
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:19,199
of dog

1683
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:22,530
and then the person said that no no it's

1684
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:25,110
not there's not you can't that dog is

1685
01:14:27,919 --> 01:14:26,730
not more intelligent that breed is not

1686
01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:27,929
more intelligent than any other breed

1687
01:14:32,090 --> 01:14:29,670
and then I was wondering like this seems

1688
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:32,100
to be not a controversial statement but

1689
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:34,320
then I realized well the reason why

1690
01:14:38,270 --> 01:14:36,570
she's saying no don't compare dog breeds

1691
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:38,280
is because that if you compare dog trees

1692
01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:39,510
maybe what about races and then you

1693
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:41,100
might be and because that's right so the

1694
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,870
idea of being that natural selection

1695
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:44,880
applies to every species other than

1696
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:46,290
humans and we have it's totally

1697
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:48,580
different rules it's it's

1698
01:14:55,470 --> 01:14:50,850
these are infantile thought patterns

1699
01:14:58,350 --> 01:14:55,480
right when I look at to wrap up but this

1700
01:15:00,300 --> 01:14:58,360
is gonna be another tangent but when I

1701
01:15:03,930 --> 01:15:00,310
look at some of your older videos like

1702
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,940
from the early 2000s you're you're much

1703
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:06,400
more articulate now than you were then

1704
01:15:09,630 --> 01:15:08,290
you're eloquent now you're poor I'm not

1705
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:09,640
saying you weren't back then I'm saying

1706
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,740
you're more now what video are you

1707
01:15:19,060 --> 01:15:16,240
so firstly some of your early Tim

1708
01:15:21,970 --> 01:15:19,070
Ferriss interviews second you speaking

1709
01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:21,980
with Lee Lee Smolin about economic age

1710
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,720
theory and one about economic Manhattan

1711
01:15:31,930 --> 01:15:28,640
Project as I believe on the perimeter

1712
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:31,940
website don't know 100% sure okay well

1713
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,260
to each his own

1714
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:35,840
yeah getting older and I'm losing my

1715
01:15:41,530 --> 01:15:38,030
faculties no no no no I'm saying you're

1716
01:15:45,460 --> 01:15:41,540
better now I know that's weak okay

1717
01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:45,470
the area's more to do it before but okay

1718
01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:47,780
okay there you go right well what I want

1719
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,040
to know is is do you did you work on

1720
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:54,560
your articulation do you practice in

1721
01:15:58,090 --> 01:15:56,030
front of the camera turn it off watch it

1722
01:15:59,710 --> 01:15:58,100
and then don't release it really okay

1723
01:16:05,560 --> 01:15:59,720
let me improve or is it just something

1724
01:16:07,210 --> 01:16:05,570
that comes as a function of age then you

1725
01:16:11,050 --> 01:16:07,220
don't do exercises to improve no but

1726
01:16:13,660 --> 01:16:11,060
it's a regularise even in Korean I I

1727
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:13,670
don't see the change but maybe it's

1728
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:23,480
okay you mentioned that on your recent

1729
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,050
product on your recent podcast with Bret

1730
01:16:30,170 --> 01:16:27,360
that talking about free will in the

1731
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:30,180
discourse discord servers you said he

1732
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:31,650
said sometimes you log on you see people

1733
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:32,910
talking about free will and one other

1734
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:34,770
topic which I can't recall but free will

1735
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:37,230
in particular is unproductive well why

1736
01:16:47,150 --> 01:16:39,510
why do you say that debating about free

1737
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:47,160
will is unproductive well what I what I

1738
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:49,050
notice is that people will have the same

1739
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,570
conversations over and over again and if

1740
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:53,280
I tuned in on one or I tune in another

1741
01:16:58,030 --> 01:16:54,510
I've pretty much heard all of the

1742
01:17:01,100 --> 01:16:58,040
arguments that are being advanced so I

1743
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:01,110
believe that you have to learn to

1744
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:03,210
recognize the signature of people trying

1745
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:06,030
to solve a mistaken problem they're

1746
01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:08,490
trying to solve a problem where the

1747
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:10,590
framework for solving that problem does

1748
01:17:15,980 --> 01:17:13,440
not yet exist okay so it's not the

1749
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:15,990
problem itself it's the framework of the

1750
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,810
problem much like the problem relative

1751
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:21,360
to the framework that we're in where

1752
01:17:24,860 --> 01:17:23,310
people will have a conversation that

1753
01:17:26,210 --> 01:17:24,870
will go on for an hour before anyone

1754
01:17:29,879 --> 01:17:26,220
will ask the question do we even know

1755
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:32,429
so I just find these conversations are

1756
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:38,320
not like the conversations of you know

1757
01:17:43,979 --> 01:17:39,760
another topic I want to get people

1758
01:17:47,339 --> 01:17:43,989
interested in is that the habberman

1759
01:17:49,139 --> 01:17:47,349
switch pitch which is a toy bit based on

1760
01:17:51,569 --> 01:17:49,149
the self duality of the tetrahedron

1761
01:17:53,699 --> 01:17:51,579
could you build one exhibiting the

1762
01:17:56,129 --> 01:17:53,709
duality between the dodecahedron and

1763
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:56,139
icosahedron that's a very concrete thing

1764
01:18:00,509 --> 01:17:58,570
that could be done somebody could

1765
01:18:05,459 --> 01:18:00,519
actually build a physical implementation

1766
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:05,469
of this idea I'm positive that the

1767
01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:07,030
freewill discussion is gonna be going on

1768
01:18:11,850 --> 01:18:08,590
two weeks from now it's gonna sound the

1769
01:18:13,889 --> 01:18:11,860
same as the one this week now I couldn't

1770
01:18:16,589 --> 01:18:13,899
be wrong maybe somebody in some discord

1771
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:16,599
chat somewhere is good and then I will

1772
01:18:22,469 --> 01:18:20,139
have egg on my face but I'm so unworthy

1773
01:18:24,509 --> 01:18:22,479
bad that I'm willing to commit to you on

1774
01:18:26,729 --> 01:18:24,519
this podcast that 20 years from now

1775
01:18:28,469 --> 01:18:26,739
we're still going to be having freewill

1776
01:18:31,949 --> 01:18:28,479
discussions if we don't have a more

1777
01:18:33,299 --> 01:18:31,959
profound theory of physic did you do you

1778
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:33,309
have a personal definition of freewill

1779
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:36,369
that you think is okay you mentioned

1780
01:18:40,949 --> 01:18:38,530
once that you like hey I do the rituals

1781
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:40,959
of Judaism I don't consider myself a

1782
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:42,489
practical and consider yourself a

1783
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:44,169
practicing Jew but not a believing Jew

1784
01:18:47,909 --> 01:18:46,329
in the sense that you consciously

1785
01:18:49,889 --> 01:18:47,919
believe it but maybe unconsciously you

1786
01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:49,899
do in a Peter Sounion sense there are

1787
01:18:58,450 --> 01:18:53,409
behaviors our thoughts did you say Peter

1788
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:00,280
I didn't know there was a Peter Soni and

1789
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:02,630
yes I just I I like to use the word

1790
01:19:12,490 --> 01:19:05,840
Peter so needed since it's easier for me

1791
01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:12,500
okay okay well do you pray yes oh okay

1792
01:19:17,650 --> 01:19:15,680
that's it true now when you pray who do

1793
01:19:23,230 --> 01:19:17,660
you feel like your friend to if you

1794
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:23,240
don't if you look Webber's around you

1795
01:19:29,050 --> 01:19:27,290
literally as in people oh I know you're

1796
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:29,060
joking but I'm actually trying to I'm

1797
01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:33,770
actually curious and please forgive me

1798
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:34,820
if this is too personal

1799
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:37,010
no no I mean I think it has to do with

1800
01:19:43,660 --> 01:19:39,530
the idea that the concept of prayer is a

1801
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:43,670
conserved concept in the human psyche so

1802
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:45,290
you have widely separated groups who

1803
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:48,080
come up on the idea of prayer and I

1804
01:19:54,250 --> 01:19:52,370
think it's because the human mind has an

1805
01:19:57,700 --> 01:19:54,260
extended phenotype if you will of

1806
01:20:00,040 --> 01:19:57,710
behaviors so you know we build churches

1807
01:20:02,350 --> 01:20:00,050
and mosques and synagogues and all sorts

1808
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:02,360
of houses of worship that's part of our

1809
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:06,770
extended phenotype we gather to sing do

1810
01:20:14,190 --> 01:20:12,290
you pray you try to what what what

1811
01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:14,200
tradition deed the you grow up then I

1812
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:18,590
grew up in my family is Christian but

1813
01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:21,440
then I became an atheist as as a as a

1814
01:20:25,420 --> 01:20:23,270
young person after my brother told me

1815
01:20:26,770 --> 01:20:25,430
about quantum fluctuations because they

1816
01:20:28,540 --> 01:20:26,780
always been heard well how the heck

1817
01:20:30,370 --> 01:20:28,550
could nothing could something come from

1818
01:20:32,530 --> 01:20:30,380
nothing and then one time my brother was

1819
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:32,540
walking with me to Blockbuster this is

1820
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:36,170
always and and he mentioned yeah well

1821
01:20:39,010 --> 01:20:36,860
there's something called quantum

1822
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:39,020
fluctuations and then I remember sitting

1823
01:20:44,350 --> 01:20:42,050
up in my bed and just thinking well that

1824
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:44,360
doesn't have to be a reason for God so I

1825
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:48,800
was an atheist and then and now I'm I'm

1826
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:51,050
unsure I would say that I I hope I'm I

1827
01:20:56,050 --> 01:20:54,770
hope I'm religious because well we can

1828
01:21:01,690 --> 01:20:56,060
get into that conversation well I'm

1829
01:21:05,710 --> 01:21:01,700
pretty much of an atheist if you take

1830
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:05,720
say the lyrics of you know Forever Young

1831
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:08,690
by Bob Dylan I don't know too much of

1832
01:21:17,250 --> 01:21:13,610
music not a musical person I play music

1833
01:21:23,710 --> 01:21:19,720
starts off may God bless and keep you

1834
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,720
always may promise to be true maybe what

1835
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:25,280
what to do for others and let others do

1836
01:21:28,660 --> 01:21:27,050
for you may you always be courageous

1837
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:28,670
stand upright and be strong and may you

1838
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:30,950
stay forever young it's an absolutely

1839
01:21:37,879 --> 01:21:34,340
beautiful song it gets tremendous power

1840
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:37,889
from the form of

1841
01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:41,010
right it gets tremendous power from the

1842
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:48,060
form the form of a prayer okay right you

1843
01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:51,600
know if you think about Madonna's like a

1844
01:22:00,850 --> 01:21:57,440
prayer if you think about you

1845
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:00,860
talked about a CDC's song you shook me

1846
01:22:10,810 --> 01:22:04,610
all night long which uses these four

1847
01:22:16,630 --> 01:22:10,820
notes yes you shook me all night long

1848
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:16,640
very similar to SH - Ryan I don't know

1849
01:22:30,939 --> 01:22:24,710
either pain I don't I like the power of

1850
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:30,949
those four notes I don't know you but I

1851
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:38,480
want you to deny this is part of the

1852
01:22:44,300 --> 01:22:41,130
human endowment

1853
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,310
is crazy so yeah maybe you're not gonna

1854
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:45,840
go to synagogue and then you're sitting

1855
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:46,980
there and you're doing what you're

1856
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:47,370
singing

1857
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:50,449
you shook me all night long you know and

1858
01:22:56,570 --> 01:22:54,510
it's erotic it's sacred it's profane

1859
01:22:58,850 --> 01:22:56,580
it's all of those things that animate us

1860
01:23:03,830 --> 01:22:58,860
in the contrast and the contradictions

1861
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:03,840
and the you know the run-ins and the you

1862
01:23:08,330 --> 01:23:05,940
know weird juxtapositions so I think

1863
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:08,340
that you have to recognize that prayer

1864
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:11,850
has a function in our minds that we only

1865
01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:13,980
partially understand having nothing

1866
01:23:16,939 --> 01:23:15,540
necessarily to do with whether there's

1867
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:16,949
somebody on the other end of the phone

1868
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:22,920
when we place the call Eric you sing

1869
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:24,900
when you're alone

1870
01:23:29,210 --> 01:23:27,510
yeah what are you saying and even what

1871
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:29,220
I'm not but what are some of you

1872
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:32,310
fortunately I have a high you know

1873
01:23:36,710 --> 01:23:34,890
interestingly I love nirvana so I love

1874
01:23:38,270 --> 01:23:36,720
Kurt Cobain and one of my other idols is

1875
01:23:39,620 --> 01:23:38,280
Kurt girdle and my name is Kurt and

1876
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:39,630
that's just completely I wonder if

1877
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:41,640
that's a correlation during its cost or

1878
01:23:45,860 --> 01:23:42,780
if it's just Queens you may be losing

1879
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:45,870
your marbles but okay yeah so Nirvana

1880
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:48,090
are Our Lady peace Alanis Morissette I

1881
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:51,810
like 90s yeah well if you think about

1882
01:23:56,279 --> 01:23:54,210
Kurt Cobain there's something very sort

1883
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:56,289
of

1884
01:23:59,500 --> 01:23:57,710
I

1885
01:24:02,830 --> 01:23:59,510
that there's something very blasphemous

1886
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:02,840
and very sort of profane about his

1887
01:24:09,090 --> 01:24:05,810
alienation and honestly it's better when

1888
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:09,100
it's animated by its relationship to

1889
01:24:14,770 --> 01:24:13,010
religion a little bit wait okay sorry

1890
01:24:16,209 --> 01:24:14,780
explain what you mean there that Kurt

1891
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:16,219
Cobain's music is better when it's

1892
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:18,800
animated by its relationship to religion

1893
01:24:24,830 --> 01:24:21,150
what do you mean

1894
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:24,840
um well you know if you just take a line

1895
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:28,770
like she's over bored and self-assured I

1896
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:32,250
know I know the dirty work this is a

1897
01:24:38,420 --> 01:24:35,130
dirty word right all right look clearly

1898
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:38,430
that's animated by religion you know did

1899
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:40,080
somebody say damn and you have to have

1900
01:24:46,340 --> 01:24:41,970
your mouth washed out with soap in the

1901
01:24:47,690 --> 01:24:46,350
nineteen twenties I don't know so I see

1902
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:47,700
so you're saying that music has made

1903
01:24:52,610 --> 01:24:51,060
richer when you appreciate religion

1904
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:52,620
where you merchants or understand it in

1905
01:24:57,260 --> 01:24:55,260
the context of religion well like I was

1906
01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:57,270
talking about what did I say before you

1907
01:25:04,940 --> 01:25:01,860
know the most scandalous thing about

1908
01:25:10,190 --> 01:25:04,950
what did I say was the merging of

1909
01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:10,200
sexuality and gospel so he stopped the

1910
01:25:18,860 --> 01:25:12,780
middle of song and goes ah and his

1911
01:25:20,660 --> 01:25:18,870
backup singers going in through this

1912
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:20,670
grunting ritual which is clearly

1913
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:24,000
extremely sexual with the gospel feel to

1914
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,090
it all right I can tell you that there's

1915
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:29,760
nothing quite so transgressive as the

1916
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:32,340
concept of sacred sexuality with the

1917
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:35,760
choir so that

1918
01:25:43,820 --> 01:25:38,159
song has the power to shock us precisely

1919
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:47,390
referenced and I do think that the

1920
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:50,010
tension between reason and religion and

1921
01:25:56,630 --> 01:25:54,090
between superstition and ritual versus

1922
01:25:58,940 --> 01:25:56,640
our metacognitive facility which says

1923
01:26:01,760 --> 01:25:58,950
why am i doing these things that's been

1924
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:01,770
incredibly potent it would be very weird

1925
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:04,410
to throw religion out once you realize

1926
01:26:10,340 --> 01:26:06,510
that it's not literally true but yet

1927
01:26:13,850 --> 01:26:10,350
many people do that right and that also

1928
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:13,860
has the sub claim that if you don't

1929
01:26:18,740 --> 01:26:15,690
believe in religion as it literally is

1930
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:18,750
then you're not Christian or you're not

1931
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:22,320
Jewish and I I was speaking with Peter

1932
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,760
Glenn knows who's a specialist in the

1933
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:26,100
history of religion he was saying that

1934
01:26:30,890 --> 01:26:28,560
if you go to eat early early Christian

1935
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:30,900
early Christianity early Judaism like

1936
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:34,650
third century in and 300 or 200 BC as

1937
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:39,630
well for Judaism that to say to think of

1938
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:43,440
the Bible as literal was also a sin for

1939
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:46,500
song sex could say whatever you want

1940
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:48,450
these are tensions that don't get

1941
01:26:53,660 --> 01:26:51,810
resolved and most of the rap I think I

1942
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,670
know I've said I know five or six rabbis

1943
01:26:59,530 --> 01:26:55,380
well enough to ask the question do you

1944
01:27:04,850 --> 01:27:03,560
everything you standard typical trivial

1945
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:04,860
sense that yeah I believe that these

1946
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:07,920
stories are literally I'm curious about

1947
01:27:12,010 --> 01:27:09,810
your use of language sometimes even

1948
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:12,020
Brett in the most recent podcast that

1949
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:15,810
Eric you do use terminology that I'm

1950
01:27:19,370 --> 01:27:17,580
pretty sure you know that the

1951
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:19,380
interlocutor is unaware of so for

1952
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,460
example with you and Anna

1953
01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:23,280
you use the term expansion point to

1954
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,320
describe the media and me as a

1955
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:27,600
mathematician I know what expansion

1956
01:27:31,130 --> 01:27:29,130
point means but I'm pretty sure Anna

1957
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:31,140
doesn't and neither and I'm pretty sure

1958
01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:32,910
that you know that Anna doesn't know so

1959
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:34,140
I was curious why would you use that

1960
01:27:38,510 --> 01:27:37,050
another example was when you were being

1961
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:38,520
asked about Bitcoin you said something

1962
01:27:43,550 --> 01:27:41,970
this is locally conserved

1963
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:43,560
this is like local conservation law

1964
01:27:49,730 --> 01:27:45,870
something like that and I'm curious what

1965
01:27:51,050 --> 01:27:49,740
why do you use esoteric language now

1966
01:27:51,980 --> 01:27:51,060
here's some theories so someone might

1967
01:27:55,460 --> 01:27:51,990
say while you're trying to sound

1968
01:27:56,660 --> 01:27:55,470
intelligent and or another one might be

1969
01:27:59,780 --> 01:27:56,670
well this is how you think and you're

1970
01:28:01,160 --> 01:27:59,790
thinking aloud another one might be well

1971
01:28:04,730 --> 01:28:01,170
you're trying to provoke curiosity in

1972
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:04,740
the audience well I don't want to give

1973
01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:07,410
you some answers but I think an

1974
01:28:13,150 --> 01:28:10,190
excellent job of answer here a question

1975
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:13,160
I'm not interested in sounding

1976
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:16,050
intelligent because that's going to cut

1977
01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:19,470
down on my estimation of intelligence

1978
01:28:27,580 --> 01:28:21,390
probably and it's going to cut down on

1979
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:31,500
just a minute just a minute

1980
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:33,430
to be blunt about it I think there's a

1981
01:28:37,860 --> 01:28:34,690
difference which is why does this

1982
01:28:40,620 --> 01:28:37,870
language even exist why don't you ask

1983
01:28:42,810 --> 01:28:40,630
the people who live inside of every

1984
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:42,820
single discipline to conduct themselves

1985
01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:44,890
so that if their grandmother barges in

1986
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:45,940
she'll be able to follow the

1987
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:49,330
conversation I don't know where that

1988
01:28:54,540 --> 01:28:52,180
became a good idea or a gold standard no

1989
01:28:58,170 --> 01:28:54,550
there's a quote of fineman's that

1990
01:29:02,460 --> 01:28:58,180
everybody likes to throw at you which is

1991
01:29:04,290 --> 01:29:02,470
you know that which I cannot create I do

1992
01:29:06,630 --> 01:29:04,300
not understand or another one which is

1993
01:29:08,130 --> 01:29:06,640
you have to you can't explain something

1994
01:29:10,740 --> 01:29:08,140
you know to every man and you don't

1995
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:10,750
really understand it mm-hmm horseshit

1996
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:15,160
nonsense we developed certain language

1997
01:29:20,210 --> 01:29:17,170
for a reason because it's well tailored

1998
01:29:24,330 --> 01:29:20,220
to what it is that we're thinking about

1999
01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:24,340
so what y'all let's take the case of

2000
01:29:31,500 --> 01:29:27,310
Bitcoin Bitcoin is frequently advertised

2001
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:31,510
as digital gold but what is gold gold is

2002
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:34,239
a physical element it's created from the

2003
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:37,739
fusion of stars where stars collide and

2004
01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:40,810
that allows us to overcome certain

2005
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:42,790
barriers so that the protons can fused

2006
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:45,370
together all right so bold is a is

2007
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:49,090
effectively based on a nucleus which is

2008
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:52,570
fermionic and that fermionic nucleus is

2009
01:29:57,020 --> 01:29:55,450
a wave and that wave behaves in a

2010
01:30:02,040 --> 01:29:57,030
physical sense now what is the

2011
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:02,050
quintessential issue about gold is that

2012
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:05,050
it's hard to produce it's hard to faith

2013
01:30:10,260 --> 01:30:07,090
gold you can't just go print up a bunch

2014
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:10,270
of gold because you'd like some some

2015
01:30:17,850 --> 01:30:14,170
gold marks so of course if you could put

2016
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:17,860
water and dirt into your Smithson 5000

2017
01:30:23,310 --> 01:30:19,510
machine and have gold bars come out the

2018
01:30:27,090 --> 01:30:23,320
other side gold wouldn't work as a form

2019
01:30:29,010 --> 01:30:27,100
of currency r is a store of value so

2020
01:30:31,710 --> 01:30:29,020
what are the properties abstractly of

2021
01:30:34,710 --> 01:30:31,720
gold that makes it work as a store of

2022
01:30:37,470 --> 01:30:34,720
value well the fact that if I have a

2023
01:30:39,690 --> 01:30:37,480
pole bar and you do not and if I give

2024
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,700
you the gold bar are no longer at that

2025
01:30:43,850 --> 01:30:41,460
is a conservation law

2026
01:30:47,150 --> 01:30:43,860
and the fact that I can give you a gold

2027
01:30:52,190 --> 01:30:47,160
bar in my backyard and nobody can stop

2028
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:52,200
us from that making that transfer has to

2029
01:30:55,340 --> 01:30:53,610
do with the fact that it's locally

2030
01:30:58,190 --> 01:30:55,350
enforced I don't need to go to a central

2031
01:30:59,990 --> 01:30:58,200
authority permit like if I have money in

2032
01:31:01,970 --> 01:31:00,000
a bank account I wish to put it in your

2033
01:31:06,110 --> 01:31:01,980
bank account we have to involve the

2034
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:06,120
banks and the transfer okay well this is

2035
01:31:13,460 --> 01:31:10,400
a locally enforced rule with gold

2036
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:13,470
that's because gold is concerned I'm out

2037
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:16,050
of gold I give up to you is the amount

2038
01:31:22,220 --> 01:31:18,440
of gold that you now have that I do not

2039
01:31:24,710 --> 01:31:22,230
now that's how I think and why I

2040
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:24,720
constantly want to be referenced to some

2041
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:27,510
standard whereby the source of my

2042
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:30,570
thinking is covered up no effectively

2043
01:31:34,820 --> 01:31:32,820
the way I'm using language is a bit like

2044
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:34,830
scaffolding for a building and I'm

2045
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:37,770
leaving the scaffolding up so that if

2046
01:31:43,130 --> 01:31:39,960
you're confused by what I'm saying you

2047
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:43,140
have a hope of not only saying well

2048
01:31:47,810 --> 01:31:45,810
that's interesting but you can also say

2049
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:47,820
I wonder where he got it from oh his

2050
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:49,710
language is a clue I'm gonna find out

2051
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,090
what a conservation law so by leaving

2052
01:31:58,760 --> 01:31:56,880
the scaffolding up I feel like it's

2053
01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:58,770
actually an invitation to people who are

2054
01:32:03,950 --> 01:32:01,020
more interested to figure out where the

2055
01:32:06,650 --> 01:32:03,960
stuff comes from so if I have some

2056
01:32:08,810 --> 01:32:06,660
paradigm in the theory of natural and

2057
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:08,820
sexual selection and I talk about it in

2058
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:10,290
terms of natural and sexual selection

2059
01:32:17,540 --> 01:32:14,490
I'm giving you the pointer the hyper the

2060
01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:17,550
metadata a hyperlink to go find out

2061
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:21,600
where I got my thinking from so as far

2062
01:32:25,460 --> 01:32:23,280
as I'm concerned I'm giving you extra

2063
01:32:28,250 --> 01:32:25,470
and if you're put off by that that's

2064
01:32:30,830 --> 01:32:28,260
really your problem not mine I guess I

2065
01:32:32,660 --> 01:32:30,840
started deciding that I would use my own

2066
01:32:36,980 --> 01:32:32,670
native language my own native language

2067
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:36,990
is a version of English with a Creole or

2068
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:39,150
pidgin on top of it made from the

2069
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:41,130
languages of the fields that I draw from

2070
01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:45,410
the economics physics finance risk

2071
01:32:53,580 --> 01:32:49,200
computer programming music molecular

2072
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:53,590
biology evolutionary theory architecture

2073
01:33:01,320 --> 01:32:56,650
wine whatever these things are they're

2074
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,330
all sources of inspiration and so I

2075
01:33:06,810 --> 01:33:04,000
guess I actually just reject the charge

2076
01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:06,820
and I find it very infantile that people

2077
01:33:11,580 --> 01:33:09,369
imagine that it's an affectation I think

2078
01:33:14,580 --> 01:33:11,590
I just gave up not talking the way I

2079
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:14,590
natively think so at some level you're

2080
01:33:21,419 --> 01:33:16,810
looking at somebody else's code and I

2081
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:21,429
probably use a pastiche of different

2082
01:33:26,870 --> 01:33:25,030
programming languages if you will where

2083
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:26,880
most people agree that they're gonna

2084
01:33:33,810 --> 01:33:29,610
write programming in some very

2085
01:33:35,609 --> 01:33:33,820
restricted set of commands and my

2086
01:33:37,919 --> 01:33:35,619
feeling is well your restricted set of

2087
01:33:39,470 --> 01:33:37,929
commands aren't sufficiently expressive

2088
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:39,480
now you see I've just done it again

2089
01:33:43,410 --> 01:33:41,650
expressive as a concept that you would

2090
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:43,420
talk about in the comparison of computer

2091
01:33:50,430 --> 01:33:47,710
languages but my point is that that's

2092
01:33:52,830 --> 01:33:50,440
the natural paradigm for me to explain

2093
01:33:55,109 --> 01:33:52,840
the thought do I want you said to me

2094
01:33:56,370 --> 01:33:55,119
earlier you asked the question how is it

2095
01:33:58,350 --> 01:33:56,380
that you always have sort of a

2096
01:34:01,140 --> 01:33:58,360
contrarian or original answer no matter

2097
01:34:04,649 --> 01:34:01,150
what question gets asked and in part

2098
01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:04,659
it's exactly this that I try to look

2099
01:34:09,810 --> 01:34:06,520
into all the different fields for what

2100
01:34:12,510 --> 01:34:09,820
they sell at and borrow whatever I can

2101
01:34:14,850 --> 01:34:12,520
learn from them about how to think about

2102
01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:14,860
various paradigms and then even to see

2103
01:34:19,470 --> 01:34:16,960
the same paradigms crop up in fields

2104
01:34:20,729 --> 01:34:19,480
that are widely separated and nobody

2105
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:20,739
knows that the same way of thinking

2106
01:34:29,070 --> 01:34:26,770
occurs across them all I think that's

2107
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:29,080
that's one of the ways that you are able

2108
01:34:32,459 --> 01:34:30,639
perhaps to integrate the knowledge

2109
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,469
because one of my earlier questions that

2110
01:34:36,570 --> 01:34:34,719
I didn't even say was if these fields

2111
01:34:37,770 --> 01:34:36,580
are so variegated and they seemingly

2112
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:37,780
have nothing to do with one another

2113
01:34:41,939 --> 01:34:39,310
although if it's a part of this world

2114
01:34:43,070 --> 01:34:41,949
there's some connection how is it that

2115
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:43,080
you're able to keep all this knowledge

2116
01:34:47,850 --> 01:34:46,330
in your head because for example I took

2117
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:47,860
an economics course in the university

2118
01:34:53,490 --> 01:34:51,280
but I forgotten most of the fundamentals

2119
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:53,500
and it's I blamed that person I'm not

2120
01:34:56,850 --> 01:34:55,329
using the knowledge on a regular basis I

2121
01:34:59,040 --> 01:34:56,860
was like well does Eric uses knowledge

2122
01:35:01,470 --> 01:34:59,050
well how does he use it perhaps he uses

2123
01:35:03,390 --> 01:35:01,480
it in conversation now you're you're

2124
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:03,400
you're actually giving credence to this

2125
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:05,199
idea I'm gonna thought well maybe also

2126
01:35:09,419 --> 01:35:07,090
he uses it when he writes maybe he

2127
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:09,429
writes privately and it's constructing

2128
01:35:12,419 --> 01:35:10,690
some theory on it so that's why I asked

2129
01:35:17,279 --> 01:35:12,429
you about writing some actually so this

2130
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:17,289
whole conversation was and an attempt to

2131
01:35:23,580 --> 01:35:21,030
deconstruct deconstruct deal and I said

2132
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:23,590
well I would say that I just have more